First and Only Date With Miss Korea
I picked her up at 3 PM… and had her on a date that night.
I was saying in my notes from yesterday that I didn’t have a date for tonight. Originally I had a date with Firecracker, but she moved it to Saturday. I had a date with Miss Sincere for Sunday, but she canceled. I am trying to hustle a date with Miss Freckles for Sunday or Tuesday and she hasn’t confirmed yet…
Friday was wide open.
So I did some approaching and met this girl from Korea. So charming. She claps her hands enthusiastically when she is excited. Her face is very expressive, her little eyebrows almost permanently cocked into this emotive caring gesture. Little pony tail. Totally lovable girl.
Maybe 23? I know I am on a “hot streak,” and it won’t necessarily last… but this is so common for me now, I don’t really notice anymore. She never asked my age. 20 years younger than me (if my guess is right). Yes to all this.
And this is the girl that got closed by another guy (she is the “set of the day”), same day, right before I picked her up. He locked her down for dinner, but I pressed for a drink after that. She was somewhat open to the idea. I took her WhatsApp, made sure we were connected there and went back to hunting.
NASH: Don’t get too busy tonight… I want to see you again… before you go back to Korea and break my heart.
HER: U r the Strangest stranger i’ve met kkkkkkk
NASH: Not strange…
NASH: So charming.
NASH: I am meeting a friend for a drink, but I am free at 10? Where are you staying?
HER: Im staying at XYZ. I think it’s a bit late. Feel bit tired.
NASH: I know I know
NASH: But its Friday… Your last Friday in the US. You need adventure and experience.
NASH: Let’s do 9:30… I’ll pick a place near you.
HER: Lol okay, then pick a place near me and let me know
I was actually out for an unplanned drink with an ex of mine (those big fake boobs felt great as we hugged and I was tempted to make out again) as all these logistics were coming along. I finish that up and race home, eating in the Uber to save time. Quick clean up of me and the place and I race back out to meet her.
She is on time. Wore the same cute, but non-sexy outfit she had on when I picked her up. She is warm and easy to be with right away. We order drinks and I make her sit next to me… a little resistance there, but she complies.
And then I had a nice hour and a half with a pretty young girl.
I asked about her dinner date, telling her that I’m curious about how that guy handled himself. Did he tell her he liked her? Make any moves? No… seemed uneventful as she commented. He was younger than her and had just broken up with a different Korean girl. Meh.
I get into some of my usual stuff. She had sex for the first time at 21. A BF she had been with for 3 months, sex was not good. 2nd lover was better, sex was better. I didn’t press this one for how she likes to come. Like all Asian girls (it seems) she is excited about strip clubs… And would pick a tall blonde with big boobs if she had her choice. She said I am the first “stranger” with whom she has ever talked about this kind of stuff.
I am noticing now that she called me “stranger” twice in this little affair. That’s a clue to her mindset.
There was one “happy accident” (…Yohami concept) where I was trying to demonstrate something like calibration for her. I had been talking about how other men make or don’t make their moves, and I wanted to demo calibrating after a girl rejects the kiss. This is all an excuse to kino her and make her think about kissing me. So I tell her what I’m trying to do, and tell her to pull away when I try to kiss her… but she doesn’t understand, so I move in for the kiss and she just sits there happily… foreshadowing later in the night, as we’ll see, but I didn’t see it then.
I had a ticket to a club to go dancing. I was happy to ignore that if I could get her home. So after 11 PM rolls around , I made my offer:
NASH: Do you like cheesecake?
Ha. My usual offer of cheesecakes and cute cats. I think I said she’d definitely get kissed.
I still like the sound of that. You know why… because we both know my place is about sex, and I think the classic benefits of “plausible deniability” (which I totally agree with) are outweighed by the falseness of bullshitting each other about that. I think when I sometimes threaten to “lick a girl everywhere,” I am, in fact fucking up the seduction. But when I say “you’ll definitely get kissed,” some deniability goes out the window, but not all of it. And the congruency and realness of telling her she will get kissed is treating us both like adults. Ahhh… that’s my theory.
In this case, she does not jump in my offer. So I say, okay, I’ll walk you back to your hostel… which happens to be on the way to where the club is that night.
I am walking her along, and I move her up onto the curb to get her out of traffic, and say, “come here,” give her a little kiss. She takes it very well. Next block, real kiss. I tell her to open her mouth for me, she does, and she is great kisser.
I want to add that I have been “rejected” a lot lately. I am clearly having the best month of my entire life with girls, but it has included a lot of “no” in terms my advances. Even though I have fucked Firecracker twice, she still won’t kiss me. Online girl wouldn’t kiss me either… nor fuck me. Miss Shanghai didn’t kiss me, and left my place very soon after. Miss Sincere wouldn’t kiss me, and has since shut me down. This is a “high quality” problem, and yet… that is a lot of “no.”
So when this little one kissed me with no issues… felt fucking great.
We get to her hostel and we’re across the street making out… she is delicious. I try a couple more times to get her to come home with me. She talks about her safety, I agree with her, tell her I’m proud of her for taking good care of herself, and that my place is safe and very comfortable (which it is), and try the cake/cats bait some more… but it’s not happening.
One more kiss and I disappear into the night. I met her 8 hours earlier. Solid little date/makeout. Not bad.
Later that night:
HER: Kkk thanks giving me a totally new experience! Have a good night!
You are so welcome, you adorable little thing.
I hit the club and it was a great night to dance. There is a 5-pack of great girls, all can dance, all are reasonably cute, some are hot… I vibe off their group off/on all night. I have 0 game when I am out dancing… smoking pot is part of that routine and I can’t game when I’m high. I wish I would have “friended” them… Would be fun to dance with them again.
Congrats for making it happen, I’ll repeat my usual questions, what was her puzzle, what did she want, what turn her on, etc, and point to the missed opportunities. Comments:
““hot streak,” and it won’t necessarily last”
Hot streak, momentum, etc – what’s happening is that you’re in Girl Tornado, which is real and you subcomunicate it every time, and girls want to jump in. The actual abundance changes your frame and everything you do. Go back to what I’ve been saying about treating every new girl like she’s already yours / already part of your tornado. The point here is to jump over your existing framework of chasing / going uphill towards women, into a frame of “Im the king”, downhill, dripping value, not caring, aka alpha frame. Abundance is compatible with Alpha, scarcity is compatible with Beta. Abundance has to become the normal. The “not necessarily last” has to go, that’s the beta column sustaining you. Knock it away.
“I don’t really notice anymore.”
Yes, become numb to abundance. Check my recommendation about increasing the amount of girls you’re talking to, then include everyone in it. Numb the shit out of your current frame, it cannot handle it. The overload will require that you change frames, like a car changing gears. Then you’ll have to learn to identify them, which is what I do when I read your recollections.
Your EX wants to fuck you btw.
“She is on time.”
“I asked about her dinner date, telling her that I’m curious about how that guy handled himself. ”
Recommendation for next dates: figure her out without going in interview mode. That means doing things forward. Commenting on things, talking subjects, playing games, doing physical things, all while doing “game” and kino which means teasing, sexual framing, all to create energy. If this is too abstract, just “play” with her, “enjoy each other”. Let me know if this is too abstract and I’ll find a way to write down actual things.
The goal is to bypass / disable the rational brain, because this is a sexual setup, and let the creative brain and the animal brain, take charge, to make things spontaneous and vivid. Let things go free.
All that said, commenting on her previous date CAN be a good setup to show that you are a better man, what krauser would call “you belong in the secret society”. The higher level to that is ignoring that guy entirely and acting as if you’re in the secret society already, and to focus on her.
“I get into some of my usual stuff. She had sex for the first time at 21. A BF she had been with for 3 months, sex was not good.”
For me this is an issue as you’re going down interview mode, sex talking, without doing any escalation that I can figure out in the story so far. The last escalation you did was to have her sitting next to you. Are you palms touching, is your hand in her leg, is she reclining with dreamy eyes as she tells you how much she likes her voice? if she’s not, if you’re not looking for that “magic” moment that you found by accident with the other girls, then you’re going offsync already. If I can tell, she can tell by x100.
What does she want, what turns her on? are you going to find it by doing “the usual stuff”?
“She said I am the first “stranger” with whom she has ever talked about this kind of stuff.”
She’s calling you stranger a lot – there’s the first cue to the puzzle and why is she there. My first reading is that she wants to find more about you.
“I am noticing now that she called me “stranger” twice in this little affair. That’s a clue to her mindset.”
Yes. Deliver more of that, show her your stranger attributes, something there will make her resonate and open.
“This is all an excuse to kino her and make her think about kissing me.”
I facepalm with the “make her think about kissing me”. She went to a date with you after you picked her on the street. She’s thinking about kissing you already.
“tell her to pull away when I try to kiss her”
WHY? not long ago you told another girl to kiss you, but you looked away. You’re introducing her to a role where there’s an impossibility between you two. Don’t do it.
The exception is when you’re having her chase you, then you become “difficult” on purpose, then you kiss her. Cat and mouse. Here though you’re going 1 mile per hour and you’re putting walls in the middle. SHE doesnt need it, look:
“so I move in for the kiss and she just sits there happily”
Did you kiss her?
The path is open, did you move forward? my guess is no, since it’s not in the story. If so, why did you not?
“NASH: Do you like cheesecake?”
Dont try to move into sex until you’ve escalated and she’s horny. Anything you do before the girl is ready creates resistance. If what you do happens slightly matching her but a little past it, then it will make her reject you but also turn her on – that’s when going for it once and again even when getting rejected works, you keep pushing a little past her resistance point, in a way that rubs her the right way.
In this story though, so far, I read no escalation on HER.
You doing the games and displaying your sexual conversation skills, let’s say that fits into “display your value in front of her” which is OK. Next step is to see what she reacts to, what she opens to, then deliver twice of that, and suppress anything she didnt click or react to. In this story, she responded positively to your (fake) attempt to kiss her, so she’s ready to be physical and be kissed. The proper response here is to double down in kino, kissing, escalating physically – she opened to it – and stop anything else that is not turning her on.
She may be available for sex tonight (likely so), but she needs to be taken there, you need to get her to the point where her body is content with it. This wont happen in her rational mind, but in her body and her emotional body.
“My usual offer of cheesecakes and cute cats.”
Plausible deniability is good.
The real reason why go to your apartment is to “keep doing while you’re doing there, but better”. That’s what I said when the girl would ask why I want to take them home. I didnt have chessecake or cats, so I’d just say “let’s go” where? “somewhere special” it’s all understood. But this after kissing, which in my case turns into making out, because I did build a lot of sexual chemistry by incrementing what turns her on and neutralizing the rest.
“I think I said she’d definitely get kissed.”
You are talking to her logical brain, removing plausible deniability, showing that you need to ask for permission before making a move. If there is a mistake, this is it. This is anti game. Get rid of it.
“I still like the sound of that.”
I think you like it because it shows some boldness. The issue it’s that it’s a tenth of the boldness required here, and talking to the rational brain, where the puzzles and rejections are written, instead of talking to her animal brain, where orgasms are written.
I remember a bunch of times in your stories where you promise the girl that you’ll kiss her, or kiss her in many places, and that you will do this and that to her. Or that you’re telegraphing your intent so NEXT TIME SHE KNOWS WHATS UP.
All of this is off frame – all of this is putting in the future something that is not happening now, all of this is not-action, all of this is energy paralized, in fear, probably, not put into the bold moves that turn the girls on. But pay attention: the bold moves need to happen when the path is open, need to escalate and turn her on. The bold moves are not to be thrown against a wall, real or imagined, and increase rejection.
Man this stuff is so simple but so hard to communicate with words.
“And the congruency and realness of telling her she will get kissed is treating us both like adults. Ahhh… that’s my theory.”
No this is all bs. You’re moving past the entry point because you didnt pay attention when the path was offered, and now you’re producing a rejection where you put yourself the prize out of your reach, and you like it. Drop all this bs.
“In this case, she does not jump in my offer. ”
Of course she doesnt.
“I am walking her along, and I move her up onto the curb to get her out of traffic, and say, “come here,” give her a little kiss. She takes it very well. Next block, real kiss. I tell her to open her mouth for me, she does, and she is great kisser.”
FUCK YES. The “come here” is my favourite line and is alpha as fuck. “shes a great kisser” because he’s fucking horny. Now, double down.
“So when this little one kissed me with no issues… felt fucking great.”
Take what you did with this one, “come here” and do it with the other girls. New girls specially, the old ones already set barriers that you respected, so the puzzle is harder for you (the more you fail, the harder the puzzles get, it’s not a game designed to be fair, but to keep the weaker men out).
“We get to her hostel and we’re across the street making out… she is delicious.”
1) you opened her, told her to see you late at night, ignoring that she had a previous date, this is bold and masculine as fuck
2) in the date you went into raunchy sex talk, she hasnt done that before, she keeps calling you stranger, you went for a fake kiss that she didnt reject, you didnt kiss her, missed opportunity
3) Then you moved too fast ahead of yourself trying to fuck her but in a way that she’s likely to decline because you havent gone that far with her yet (not even a kiss)
4) Then you finally make a move, in the street, now she IS kissing a stranger, which she likes, ‘great kisser’ and ‘delicious’, things are going where they have to go. NOW is the time for grabbing her against your body, really turning her on, and taking her to somewhere to fuck her. This is what you want, and this is what she wants. You already tried to fuck her (chessecake) but she wasnt ready, now she is catching up with you phyisically, turning herself on, reacting positively to the body advance (just like before), sex is on the table, she’s showing you how.
“I try a couple more times to get her to come home with me. ”
Good. Pay attention:
“She talks about her safety”
Ties ties in with the Stranger theme. Stranger, safety, etc. This is the puzzle, it’s a simple one. She either wants the danger, or she wants to tame the stranger a little. This can result in you spending more time kissing and talking in the street, as long as temperature keeps going up – then taking her home (my move is just to stop a cab, and tell her to get in, it will be fun) or go into her place and fuck her there. If there’s hesitation, take charge, make it happen, be the man.
“I agree with her, tell her I’m proud of her for taking good care of herself, and that my place is safe and very comfortable (which it is)”
Ok, this is some more BS. You went down in frame to supplication and pedestalization. I bet you, there was not any point in this date where she reacted magically to you telling her you’re proud of her, or telling her you’re safe.
So you hear a rejection (a puzzle) and you’re using a key that doesnt fit – a key that you think is what she needs (based on your previous experience, or ideals, or whatever), instead of paying attention to HER and what SHE WANTS.
Nash: I’ll keep you safe, let’s go.
There are more options: she’s the dangerous one (roleplay), etc, it doesnt matter. She’s telling you specifically how to fuck her.
“and try the cake/cats bait some more”
She’s not there for cake, cats, you blew up the plausible deniability before. In reality you’re bringing this up because you already assumed there’s no sex happening. Sex is still happening, but you’re increasing the difficulty of the puzzle.
“but it’s not happening.”
Aight, you decide the wall is real and walk away. She goes back turned on and frustrated to her room.
“HER: Kkk thanks giving me a totally new experience! Have a good night!”
That’s when she settled down into the reality that sex didnt happen. It’s also a window to make it happen.
Nash: you too. What are you doing now?
“I hit the club and it was a great night to dance. ”
This is great – you can use the momentum, aka FRAME from making out with this girl and carry that and have a bunch of girls into you. By smoking pot and doing ‘the usual’ you’re making it impossible for you. But it’s there.
Congrats though. I see the light at the end.
*is she reclining with dreamy eyes as she tells you how much she likes [YOUR] voice?
>> what was her puzzle
I’m still wrapping my head around that concept. With Miss Sincere, I’m more confident. With this one… I don’t know her well enough. Maybe you can see it… I can’t.
>> what did she want
I don’t know. I was selling “adventure” and “experience,” and she echoed that once/twice. I don’t think she wanted to get laid… not that it couldn’t have happened, or she wouldn’t have liked it, but I don’t think that was her goal.
I think she was curious. I think she was ready for a little adventure.
Most of all… I think she was caught up in my reality… following my lead. I don’t think she had a plan… she was doing what I told her to do.
>> what turn her on
Don’t know… but she was very responsive to the kiss. Pretty hot kissing, for on the street.
And I could see she didn’t know what to do w/ her hands… so at one point I told her “touch me,” and she liked that. She did touch me at that point.
So in that case… I don’t know if she liked touching me… or liked being told what to do.
At this point… if I had to guess, I’d say she wanted dominance… as that’s what she responded to.
>> Your EX wants to fuck you btw.
Yeah… she does. I could see it in her eyes that night. And I mentioned her BF, and she rolled her eyes.
The occasion for seeing each other is that she is going to give me a skin treatment before thanksgiving. I asked her for it. And she gave me some stuff to “precondition” until then.
But… yeah… I know she is ready to fool around.
Sex with her was high-volume “vanilla” sex. Buckets of the same thing. She likes to be pounded from behind… she can come over and over. Sounds good… but I broke up w/ this girl for a reason… and I know the sex is not a great thing for me… not my flavor.
Catch me a in horny mood I might say otherwise…
>> The last escalation you did was to have her sitting next to you. Are you palms touching, is your hand in her leg, is she reclining with dreamy eyes as she tells you how much she likes her voice?
I know I mostly post about the questions I ask… because that’s a part I am very interested in. I love the view into her mind.
But… I touched her constantly. Arm around her. Occassionally pulling her hair. Stroking her hair. Holding her hands. I was kind of wrapped around her.
This is one thing that is typical of me… I don’t physically lean back. I’m not sure if this is a level of game I just haven’t hit yet? Or if I’m not that style of guy? I am more wrapped around her, whispering in her ear, hands on her bicep, little squeeze to make a point… often one hand on her upper back, the other on her chest, between her boobs and neck… and then I roll off regularly… look away, have a sip of my drink, “reject her” jokingly, push her away. All that is my natural kino style. I touch a lot. This is a strength, as I see it.
>> “so I move in for the kiss and she just sits there happily”
>> Did you kiss her?
>> The path is open, did you move forward? my guess is no, since it’s not in the story. If so, why did you not?
No I did not. But I wasn’t expecting her compliance there. I was demo’ing some secret society thing… but she didn’t get it, even as I told her what part to play… I totally could have kissed her, but that moment surprised me.
This helps me see her puzzle a little more… yes, she took escalation well. She was ready to be lead. For some dominance (maybe light, maybe not… who knows).
>> she responded positively to your (fake) attempt to kiss her, so she’s ready to be physical and be kissed. The proper response here is to double down in kino, kissing, escalating physically – she opened to it – and stop anything else that is not turning her on.
Yes. I think you’re dead on here… I’m learning.
>> “So when this little one kissed me with no issues… felt fucking great.”
>> Take what you did with this one, “come here” and do it with the other girls
That’s exactly how I moved on the married Miss Shanghai… but again, she had me in a tougher puzzle (if she is interested at all… I’m really not sure at this point).
>> “I agree with her, tell her I’m proud of her for taking good care of herself, and that my place is safe and very comfortable (which it is)”
>> Ok, this is some more BS. You went down in frame to supplication and pedestalization. I bet you, there was not any point in this date where she reacted magically to you telling her you’re proud of her, or telling her you’re safe.
No… I don’t agree. I was agreeing with her here, as opposed to going logical and trying to argue about why it was a good idea. I was trying to neutralize her resistance… while making out with her and telling her to touch me.
>> instead of paying attention to HER and what SHE WANTS.
>> Nash: I’ll keep you safe, let’s go.
Here ^ I think you’re right on…
Tonight I was out w/ the Thai girl… she’s sick, but still wanted to come out. I told her “I’ll take care of you.” I’m trying to get on board here.
>> >> instead of paying attention to HER and what SHE WANTS.
Quoting this again… you so on here, Yohami. This is crazy simple… but hard to do… hard to get. This is something I personally believe you understand… because you do, in fact, have a ton of real experience. I assume you learned this… one girl at a time… and now can talk about it. I think I’ll move in that direction… one girl at a time.
This is a very smart/interesting way to go about seduction, Yohami. This is very good stuff, man. I’ve never heard anyone talk about it quite like this. You’re very good, man. I’m listening. I really appreciate this time with you.
>> There are more options: she’s the dangerous one (roleplay), etc, it doesnt matter. She’s telling you specifically how to fuck her.
Yes. I think you’re right. Yeah… this is part of that puzzle. I personally believe that she is, in fact, very inexperienced… but she is doing the best job of showing me the puzzle that she could.
>> Aight, you decide the wall is real and walk away.
So you would just stay there, keep kissing her, escalating on the sidewalk… and then pull your cab move? I think that… actually might have worked. Even at my level.
Riv’s POV might be right here… that some/most girls actually do have comfort they want before they’ll spread for a man… but I buy what you’re selling here. It makes real sense.
She was actually kind of close, even in my eyes… let alone yours.
“that some/most girls actually do have comfort they want before they’ll spread for a man…”
Yes sure, but at the end it all comes down to when they are ready. This is not measured in time but in energy. It may take a lot of time for you two to build that energy, or no time at all. The way you build that energy is by rubbing in the right place at the right moments.
This is just like your squirting technique – you’re finding her persona-clit, and rubbing your Game on it. If at any point you get off-clit and stop rubbing, you’re likely to have to start again. If you dont know what the spot is or what to do about it, it may take you a LOT of time, it may not happen at all.
So with all this puzzle – what she wants – what turns her on, Im trying to get you to see her clit. When you game, take advances, progress, double down in what she responds to, there’s a curve there that elevates the temperature of the girl and has her wanting more and more and more. This can be very quick. I mean, you had her making out with you in no time at all. You spent what, like two hours with her. If you go back in your memories now, and put together the movie of the things that she reacted to, and leave out the things that didnt escalate, you’ll have like 10 min of things or less. Now imagine what happens when you do these things for two hours straight.
It’s an “out of this world” experience for them.
Take this as another skill – for me, seduction is only about this. Listening to what she wants and giving it. All from the bold, alpha, dont give a fuck frame, which is the key to the puzzle – that’s what opens the legs, the rubbing that clit with Game.
Yes I would have made out, figure some more about her “stranger” “safety” puzzle, then stop a cab and take command. I did that just that a lot of times. It didnt always get me laid, sometimes she girl actually wanted to stop before dick in pussy, that was fine, we fucked the next time. But I didnt push any breaks until the girl told me to and it was real.
Press that accelerator and rub that clit until there’s an actual wall. When there are conditions, like “my safety” or “Without kissing” or “I dont feel anything for you”, what they are doing is telling you exactly how to get them, how to fuck them. It’s a puzzle, but the puzzle is also the instructions manual.
“Quoting this again… you so on here, Yohami. This is crazy simple… but hard to do… hard to get.”
I had that ah-ha in several steps. I had my first girlfriend that I had gotten thanks to game, she was a very, very nice girl. She responded well to cocky-funny (my only tool at the moment). She was complaining about her mom. The mom had expectations but was a bad communicator, my girlfriend was failing at meeting the mom’s expectations, the mom would be rude and demanding, my gf was pissed, then I told her this:
“Your mom wants that everyone meets her demands without having to express them”
When I said that loud I was ponting to a defect, like it was an injustice or something. But then used that to measure my gf and she was the same, I extrapolated that to every woman
“A woman wants her needs to be satisfied without having to express them”
“Women want everyone else to read their minds”
“When a woman has to tell you what her wants, out loud, is because you failed to read her mind, so it will be too late now”
That made me start paying attention to what women wanted, and how they went about it. Going back in memories, looking at women everywhere – because, you know, women are not frontal and blunt, they subcomunicate, give hints, they talk in the meta-language, not in what they are saying but HOW they are saying it, and have multiple levels of that, which is how they make frenemies and what not, and why we have such a hard time communicating when men try to be logic, and women are being emotional.
Then the usual “men dont listen” and all that stuff.
For women, communication is the art of getting what they want.
For men too, but we also DO things. Women mostly communicate, and get other people, mostly men, to do these things.
Everything women do, everything women communicate, has the subtext, the telegraph that the people interacting with them has to “get it” and act accordingly. Everything is there, in the meta. Being able to read it is what Krauser describes as the “secret society”. If the girl says NO but means yes and you take the NO, then you disqualify yourself. When Firecraker was presenting resistance but still there and letting you stimulate her, that is a NO with a YES on it. All of that just to see if you “get it” and what you do about it.
In my beta days women would make me crazy with the mixed signals. Then I understood it’s not mixel signals, it’s a filtering mechanism. They are telling you exactly what they want. It just comes encrypted in a way that only the right person would understand it.
Because once you know what they want they have no defenses against you. You can do literally whatever you want with them.
They will tell you so even.
>> “Your mom wants that everyone meets her demands without having to express them”
This whole post of yours Yohami… is so good. Really good stuff.
>> “A woman wants her needs to be satisfied without having to express them”
>> “Women want everyone else to read their minds”
>> “When a woman has to tell you what her wants, out loud, is because you failed to read her mind, so it will be too late now”
Yeah. This ^ scenario was easiest for me to see regarding the kiss. No, you don’t ask. No, she won’t tell you. You satisfy her need without her expressing it… that’s what she wants.
I’m trying to take this above the kiss, and see this and “her puzzle.”
Wow. I want more practice… I wish I could do this full time.
UPDATE 1; At one point I was “future projecting” making pancakes for her the morning after sex… and she got very excited about pancakes. Maybe as excited as anything we talked about.
So I invited her to pancakes the next morning… again, maybe I had already blown the plausible deniability, but I did try for a breakfast date (= sex) for the next day.
I even got up reasonably early to make the offer again via WhatsApp. She was slow to reply and then said she was meeting a friend.
When you ask me what she wants… pancakes had the biggest emotional impact on her of almost anything. I don’t think that’s what you mean… but still… pancakes. “My favorite,” she said… and was almost romantic about it.
Love that move. She was probably liking the relationship aspect of this? waking up in the morning and having breakfast.
Re: being slower this morning and having plans, you aborted that clit-rubbing and now have to start over – plus her recollection of events, because she didnt come, maybe she already put you in the category of the not-gonna fuck.
Girls are brutal.
Watch documentaries of spiders fucking. One bad move and the male becomes food. Girls really dont give a fuck – until you are a master of this game, women are actually the alpha and in command and you’re an extra. Once you pass the threshold you can be their master. You’re in the border in between. Just let go some more, my friend. Just some push to place yourself above and take the reigns. The girls will love it.
And that’s just the beginning.
>> Girls really dont give a fuck – until you are a master of this game, women are actually the alpha and in command and you’re an extra. Once you pass the threshold you can be their master.
Yeah. This goes back to the “they choose us” bit, which is mostly true. But for the level of game you are talking about… that shifts a bit.
>> You’re in the border in between.
Yeah. I came thru a big barrier in the last month… I’ve never been here before. And the summer was so painful… because I KNEW this was within my reach. Now I have proof.
The NYC girl and then the Korean really proved this to me… meet/date/sex (or close) in 24 hours, two weeks in a row, different girls. And having them back to back on Fridays, it was no coincidence. I am here. Those two were like an exclamation point on the month…
Now… I have several layers still ahead of me. All this time with girls is going to make my skillset richer. But part of this is moving in the direction you’re pointing.
I am travelling this week, and then the holidays… we’ll see if the season helps/hurts my flow.
And it is looking about 50% likely that I will get a nice tour of Tokyo in early 2017. If so… that is my perfect training ground. “Target rich,” so many girls of my type is unbelievable. I moved fwd very fast last time I was there… had a lot of action.. I want another shot, knowing what I know now.