First and Only Date with Miss NYC.
I just got home. I smell like pussy. I did not get the notch. I did get… an incredible experience.
I “grew up” a little bit tonight.
I met her… yesterday. Ahhh, the beauty of daygame. She was #6 that day. This was not a scheduled part of my “girl tornado.” I put this together in the last 24 hours.
She was very cool via text.
HER: thx for chat. That was refreshing.. meeting someone like that. The good ol fashion way
I follow up this morning.
NASH: Yeah. We’re old school like that
NASH: Hey… that offer still stands for tonight. If you can handle a little more adventure before you go home, let’s have a drink after your dinner.
HER: Yeah sure let’s do it! Why not :)
And it seems on. It’s so on, she communicates with me throughout the day. We set the meet up for 10:30 PM.
(You know… as I got into game, it was a kind of psychological barrier for me to make dates after 9 PM. Still kind of is. After dinner dates… are sex dates. Can you set up a “sex date” with a “good girl?” A 10:30 date is a sex date. I am still getting comfortable with this. I’m getting there.)
I took her to the same “1/2 gay bar” I took Thai girl to on that first date. I get there first… find a table. Tell her I’m inside, where I’m at. And I lean back and type up my notes from today’s daygame session while I wait.
She shows up a bit late… almost 11. She looks, hot. Her hair is down. Her face isn’t perfection, but she is a smooth, hot girl. I motion for her to sit next to me, and she does. We check in. She’s kind of drunk from a dinner with an ex-coworker of hers. She says “tipsy,” which is girl-talk for drunk. She is slurring slightly, but she’s still got it together. I am already touching her.
I get us a round of drinks. And the night begins.
I ask her how last night went… she was recovering from a big night the night before and she says:
HER: The guy I have been staying with and I had an argument…
HER: He wanted to have a threesome, and I said no…
HER: I was going to go have a drink by myself… but we fought until almost 2, and the bars were closed…
There was no lead up… this just came out of her mouth, fast. She wasn’t showing off.
So the story is she flew into town to go to this guy’s party on Thursday night. He lives in NYC too, but for some reason was having a party here. She and he shared a hotel room. They are lovers. He, apparently, has girls on tap here, so he wanted a threesome last night, and she didn’t. He pushed for a foursome… which she also declined.
He left this morning, but she is still in the hotel. They fucked, this morning, before he left.
So… sex talk, again… but this time, I had nothing to do with it, she started the whole thing.
I could say more about the sex talk… like that she is into BDSM and likes to come from oral sex. But that’s enough for now.
Anyway… she just broke up with her BF in NYC. They have been in an open relationship – she is banging some guys on the side. That guy hasn’t been cool lately, so she broke up with him. They have been together for 3 years.
Her ex and she have had a lot of threesome. Many. She mostly dates white guys, like me. She has had threesomes with black girls, white girls, Indian girls, Asian girls. Lots and lots of threesome with this BF. I asked her how they set those up… and she said they pick the girls out together… but I can’t remember how, exactly.
At one point she says she is thinking about becoming an escort. I am surprised at this, but go into a role play scenario where she has to fuck a fat sheikh with terrible coffee breath. But the truth is… that comment shook me a little. I would never date a hooker. Or a girl from a strip club. I don’t believe in “good girls” anymore, but “pro” girls are out of my comfort zone.
But my hands are still all over her. Grabbing her tiny-tiny wrists. Grabbing fist-fulls of her hair, lightly pulling her head back. This is all natural for me.
And I go to kiss her, and stop… hover over her mouth. Beautiful mouth. Amazing bottom lip. She asked, “are you trying kiss me?” She is cool and calm. I say, “I’m just checking you out.” But I eventually kiss her. Then deeper. And it’s hot. She’s a great kisser.
And then… I am thinking about taking her home. Even after her stories which definitely intimidate me. And she says, “I’m not going to your place… you have to come to mine.”
We have a somewhat awkward negotiation. All because of me. I am well out of comfort zone. Not stuttering, or freaking out, but not comfortable with where I’m at. Not because it’s “fast,” but because this girl has a lot more sexual experience than I do. It was that escort story. She is a fucking race car. And I even tell her I’m not coming, and I’m going to send her home. And I get real, and tell her I’m intimidated. And I know that’s not cool, but I don’t care.
Being honest in that moment was actually great for me. I knew where I was. And a minute later I changed my mind. We got in a car. It’s a shared car, she’s up front, I’m in back, we don’t talk. She looks back to check in with me, mid-ride. She’s high octane, but she’s sweet.
She was staying at a really nice hotel. Crazy nice. About 500 yards from where I had a beer last night after my date with Online Girl.
We walk in, and she wants to know why I am intimated. She has to pee, and she does, with the door open, still talking to me, so I walk in, and face her, lean against wall as she pees. That… was a first for me also.
She undresses. Takes off her boots and her jeans. She’s in a leotard… and she looks amazing. I push her onto the bed, and crawl on top of her, and start to softly dominate her physically. Holding her arms over her head. Pinning them back. Kissing her. Petting her.
She tells me I remind her… of her “dom.” She met him on Tinder. They fuck… but she can talk to him about anything, he doesn’t judge her. Her (ex) BF judges her, but her dom does not. She doesn’t know if it’s real, as sex is involved, but he cares for her. And she is real, and vulnerable as she tells me this.
She’s actually crazy sweet, and feminine, and charming, through all this. Nothing crass about her. Nothing too broken… except that maybe she parties a lot. She’s radically feminine. I do what I want to her… and I take that leotard off.
I’m still fully clothed. And she’s naked against hotel sheets.
And her body… is a solid 8… maybe 8+. I don’t date 8s. Firecracker is not an 8… and I could care less. This girl, naked… is full on, high-end porn perfect. Amazing boobs, bigger without clothes, it seemed, with 1/2 in purple nipples rising from her white skin. Belly pierce. Smooth, prefect skin in every direction. She’s amazing to look at. Maybe the hottest girl I’ve ever been with.
But… my cock is never hard. Not at all. I am actually very comfortable now, but not physically turned on at all, even though I haven’t had an orgasm since last Sunday.
We are just “playing.” She is passive, lovely, perfect, dark hair on expensive, white sheets. She laughs. 98 lbs, this girl. I can drag her around, and I do. Flip her over to see her ass. Kissing her, petting her, chatting… it’s great. She is sexy, deadly sexy, but the scene is not a physical turn on for me.
She likes to come from oral sex. She’s into her clit. I love to eat pussy, but I’m not sure I want to with her… her experience is a little too much for me. That is uncool, but it’s true.
In the beginning of this story, I said she fucked a guy this morning. In the same bed. There are fresh sheets… changed this afternoon… but in terms of sexual sophistication, I am out of my depth here and I know it.
He is gnarlier than me. She is gnarlier than me. But I’m learning. What a week it has been.
One important thing that game has taught me about being a man… is to do what I want. And I did. I was in control. And she was so sweet, and fem, despite all that sexual experience… it was a great time. A ridiculous view from the 28th floor of a very fancy hotel that some other guy had paid for… and an even better view of her in the sheets.
Did I mention she is 30? I would have guessed 27. Her body is ageless.
So… I kept playing. Sucked her amazing nipples. Her hip bones. I sucked on her neck. I touched her. I dragged her around. I crawled on top of her. And eventually… I eat that pussy. And I used my fingers a bit.
And I made her squirt. Like really, really squirt. Like I’ve never done before (I’ve had girls squirt a bit, but not like this). Soaked the bed. She’s only squirted once before.
She has this other lover. A guy she met in Singapore (which is where she’s from). Her BF was in Vietnam, and she met this guy on Tinder. They went to dinner, talked about sex, went to his place, and he was into BDSM right away. Left her covered in bruises, which she liked. He was the only guy to make her squirt. She is amazed that I did it. So am I. Then I did it again. Bed is sopping. My arm is soaked. She told me she’s going to tell him I did it. He is still a lover of hers. Wants to marry her. Several guys are trying to marry her… including the guy that was in this bed this morning.
So… I didn’t have a condom, or I could have fucked her. It was explicit. So no notch. I am a little disappointed about missing that notch — which is retarded, but true.
For me this certainly counts as a sexual experience from Daygame. Daygame delivered this. If I had had a condom, I would have had the “notch,” but it still counts for something. This is some of the fruit from daygame, ladies and gentlemen. Another wild adventure that started with a man talking to a girl on the street.
There will be more. And I will be more psychologically prepared next time.
So we lay around a bit, and she is tired, and it’s after 3 AM… and I split. She flies back to NYC tomorrow. We’re Facebook friends.
She walks me to the door. She is unbelievably hot. She kisses me… and I walk to the elevator.
And my hands still smell like pussy. What a wild night. What an experience.
I am so tired.
Viva daygame.
FUCK YEAH WHAT A STORY.
Thanks, Riv.
I like Yohami’s comment that he is a little grossed out. I am too, sort of. But it’s a great story.
We’re racking up some great stories, man.
https://twitter.com/alpharivelino/status/792374216037396485
to everyone else reading along, in case you didn’t click on the link, here is nash’s description of the initial pickup with miss nyc:
“She is probably 5’3. But stacked on 4in heeled boots, combined with her natural skinniness, made her look long and tall. All black clothes from the boots up. Topped with a nice, “rocker” leather jacket. And black hair, in a bun on her head. Very attractive girl. She was hotter than most girls I hit on. And I was intimidated, but I approached anyway.
She took out her ear buds, and was slow and easy to talk with. She’s Chinese, has a proper Chinese name, but is visiting from NYC. No accent, pretty Americanized. She was here for a party, and was a bit hazy from the night before, even as it was late afternoon. She did the crossed legs thing as she hooked. Cat-eyed contacts. Comfortable. Small chested… But very sexy. I was slow and confident with her. We had a good fit. Teased her a bit. Challenged her. We had the kind of chemistry that made me feel like a cool guy.
We chat for a bit and she asks me to walk her to the phone store. After she was checked in, we chatted a bit more… And I number closed her for a possible date tomorrow… Her last night in town. Fun girl, and possibility of adventure sex. We’ll see.”
from your texts to her, i love this in-built challenge:
“If you can handle a little more adventure before you go home”
Yep.. I was trying to work it a bit.
Just did a bunch of this w/ the Online Girl via text. We’ll see if I can rope her in.
Fucking great story. Did I say welcome to the real world? you’re becoming a champ quite fast.
She’s totally more in the “pro” side, but most girls are closer to be like her than to the idealistic “good girl”, here:
“Wants to marry her. Several guys are trying to marry her… include the guy that was in this bed this morning.”
Red pill third stage. Girls live in boy tornado, the tornado means a bunch of betas who put them in a pedestal, some want to marry her, and a few alphas. The alphas are the fun and get the sex. Girls fuck them but try to turn them into betas, if they succeed, they are discarded. Because who would want to marry THAT? not a high value man, so she keeps hunting.
Lets take a minute to facepalm and digest. Some comments:
“I “grew up” a little bit tonight.”
Fuck yes.
“HER: thx for chat. That was refreshing.. meeting someone like that. ”
She’s ready.
“Can you set up a “sex date” with a “good girl?” ”
Of course, because “good girl” is a facade. A brand. A flavor. Just like “good boy”. Would a good boy fuck Pamela Anderson from the 90s coming off a shower? put the alpha dick in front of a “good girl”, would she take it? answer: with excitement.
“She’s kind of drunk from a dinner with an ex-coworker of hers”
Maybe she just fucked. She’s ready though.
“I am already touching her.”
Yes.
“HER: He wanted to have a threesome, and I said no”
Oh boy. You werent given a puzzle, but a straight card to open the zoo.
“There was no lead up”
There is a lead up. 1) pick up = sexual setup. 2) arrange date for late night = sexual date. She’s coming to a booty call date. Every other girl also came to you for a booty call. For how this one works, she already said “yes”, the puzzle was solved by you picking her up and texting her, so the door is open. The rest still needed to figure out something. But all your dates were booty calls. Because every date is. Again:
Girls live in boy tornado. Tons of guys after them. Tons of them want to marry them. Tons of them want to fuck her. She fucks some of them. WHY IS SHE THERE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW? WHAT DOES SHE WANT?
“They fucked, this morning, before he left.”
I would fuck this one in the bar’s bathroom and try get a threesome with the bartender (assuming she’s hot). Gotta go for novelty.
“That guy hasn’t been cool lately, so she broke up with him. ”
This chick is probably BPD.
“and she said they pick the girls out together… but I can’t remember how, exactly.”
You hit on the girl and introduce her to your more stable gf, kiss the new girl, then have the two girls kiss. Then “taxi!” and explosive sex with two pussies in one bed and girls that kiss each other and sometimes go down on each other, depending on what you make them do. My first happened “by accident” by having two girls I already had sex with stay over after a house party. But like everything with girls, repeat the same motions that you did with other girl in new girls and get similar responses. Act as if, and it is.
RSDTyler actually picks 2 new girls and gets them to that, Luke too. Call it “three some game”.
“At one point she says she is thinking about becoming an escort.”
She’s probably a scort already.
“but go into a role play scenario”
Yes.
“And I go to kiss her, and stop… hover over her mouth.”
This teasing is so on point.
“I’m not going to your place… you have to come to mine. […]We have a somewhat awkward negotiation. All because of me. ”
I understand but it’s ridiculous. She’s offering you the checkmate, accept the checkmate, go to her place and fuck her. UNLESS you’re some game teasing and pushing away to increase the tension. In this setup is not needed, it’s not a trap, the vag has been open since you said hi in the street.
“We walk in, and she wants to know why I am intimidated.”
After all you’re the alpha stud to stopped her in the street to fuck her, and she said yes, so what’s the deal with you?
“She tells me I remind her.. of her “dom.” She met him on Tinder. They fuck”
This girl tells you about her boy tornado as you’re on top of her. The rest of the girls just think about it.
“I don’t date 8s.”
Now you do. Should be 9s soon.
“Im not hard […] She is sexy, deadly sexy, but the scene is not a physical turn on for me.”
This reality doesnt belong to your frame. You’re outside your world. Too much shock for now.
“One important thing that game has taught me about being a man… is to do what *I* want. And I did. I was in control. ”
At the end, this is what you’ll get out of all of this. This and this only. All the rest comes and goes. Like the stds.
” I eat that pussy. ”
Gonna need some good mints after this.
“skirt”
And soap.
“He was the only guy to make her squirt. She is amazed that I did it. So am I. Then I did it again. Bed is sopping. My arm is soaked. She told me she’s going to tell him I did it. He is still a lover of hers. Wants to marry her. Several guys are trying to marry her… include the guy that was in this bed this morning.”
And this is, of course, not true. You’ve gotten a new puzzle. She skirts easily and regularly, the proof is she does it twice in your first encounter. But she wants you to feel special, you have a privileged position in her Boy Tornado, and look, some of these guys put her so much on a pedestal they want to marry her. Is it true?
She’s simultaneously making you feel special, while putting herself in a value that contradicts her actions. She’s using sex as a bait, what she’s actually looking for is the validation of relationships. Like every other girl but tuned a few degrees to the extreme, and exposed, which is invaluable, because other guys and I could be repeating this to new guys, writing books and screaming this shit out loud for years, but nothing would have the same impact as this little girl had in you in such a short time.
So cheers for your Girl Tornado. Im a little grossed out by the story (hey Im a sensitive man and have standards), but very proud for being a small part of it.
Viva Nashgame.
>> Im a little grossed out by the story (hey Im a sensitive man and have standards)
Ha. Me too. I took a shower when I got home.
>> but very proud for being a small part of it.
Yeah. Thanks man… great comments above. I’m learning.
>> The alphas are the fun and get the sex. Girls fuck them but try to turn them into betas, if they succeed, they are discarded.
Search for “betaization” in that book. Almost word for word with you again.
“..she will subconsciously tend to operate in such a way as to have her sexual attraction for that male decrease.”
“We call this process betaization, where the strong, alpha male is rendered beta — which means secondary or subservient — within the relationship, over a period of time. Quite often, this process occurs gradually and almost imperceptibly to both parties.”
>> And this is, of course, not true. You’ve gotten a new puzzle. She skirts easily and regularly, the proof is she does it twice in your first encounter. But she wants you to feel special, you have a privileged position in her Boy Tornado, and look, some of these guys put her so much on a pedestal they want to marry her. Is it true?
I am listening. In my experience, I find is wise to always listen to what Yohami is getting at.
But in this case… she was very curious about what I did to make that happen. And she didn’t squirt in the classic way (fingers up), it was went I went for the “A spot,” then she squirted. She kept asking me over and over, what I did. Maybe she is a great actress… that is certainly possible… but I didn’t see that as flattery. Ha… but I wouldn’t, if she is a great actress.
How deep does this stuff go?? Fuck. A lot to learn.
“And she didn’t squirt in the classic way (fingers up), it was went I went for the “A spot,” then she squirted. She kept asking me over and over, what I did. Maybe she is a great actress”
Ah – with this new data it sounds more genuine.
The part where she’s going to tell the other guy that you made her squirt, I read that as drama jealousy plotting “hey jimmy, I found this guy on the street and made me squirt twice, so put more effort”. But – there’s always a chance of an honest interaction and that she’s trying to learn techniques to make her lover better. Maybe you can all facetime next time :-D
“How deep does this stuff go?? Fuck. A lot to learn.”
It’s deep but not that much. The base rule is that with girls everything is engineered to gain something, so nothing it what it seems at face value. Everything – all of it – is a funnel. The purpose of the funnel is to get you invested, get your semen, get your resources and protection. The funnel will be catered to your value and what you can give them (or they can take).
So everything – all of it – is a roleplay to get you into a role. All the puzzles, shit tests, all of it, is a process to audit you and see if you fit in the script, the game, the movie they are already running. If you have a lot of value they will destroy their movie to fit yours, in order to keep you (and then funnel you back), if you have lesser value they will demand that you fit in or discard you.
It’s brutal. But it’s what it is. All the time you’re trying to put your dick in them they are trying a grander scheme to use you for something else. With every story, every reframe, everything that they throw at you to make you react, watch it, watch the ways in that you react – they want something from you, look at that. Goes along with “puzzle” and “what they want”. Let’s call this now “movie roleplay” and “ulterior motive”. At the end all of them have an endgame. The sooner you can identify it the better for your own game.
>> The part where she’s going to tell the other guy that you made her squirt, I read that as drama jealousy plotting “hey jimmy, I found this guy on the street and made me squirt twice, so put more effort”.
She said he was obsessed with it. Does it with everygirl.
Yeah… she is fucking with him. I’m glad she’s not local. I won’t be tempted to be a part of her “boy tornado.”
As I left, she was telling me to text her, to stay in touch… and I said, “What would I even say?” and smiled at her. I assumed we’d never talk again… I think that’s my best option. She’s pro.
“She told me she’s going to tell him I did it. ”
That’s the BPD part, and breaking up. It’s a pattern similar to your Tussle. It’s common in girls. But if you do it on them it doesnt turn them on, unless hey are BPDs themselves, in which case, run.
Hell yeah. Hopefully this is another step in breaking your notion of these “innocent little Asian girls”.
No condom in the wallet? That’s my go-to. For emergencies.
I am going to get a case… good men are prepared. Thanks, Pancake.
“She’s totally more in the ‘pro’ side, but most girls are closer to be like her than to the idealistic ‘good girl’ ”
yohami, do you really think this?
Riv… from my POV, I agree with Yohami on both points…
I do think she is more on the “pro” side (I wonder if she is already an escort? If so, interesting that she would do this with me for fun… I bought her 1 drink, that was it).
But more so… I do think most girls are closer to this than the “virginal Disney girl.” This is THE THING for me in game right now…
I have been listening to Krauser’s Womanizer Bible (the video series not Youtube), and he talks about this in reference to Madonna/Whore. And how if I mis-read a girl as a “good girl,” when she is more “complicated” than that, she has proof that I don’t have social savvy.
But if I KNOW that “good girls” have rich lives (“A good girl is a bad girl that hasn’t been caught”) and I can signal that to her… she has proof I know women well.
I’m trying to get there.
“yohami, do you really think this?”
You have to talk to more women.
“So… sex talk, again”
this time it worked.
funny, right?
I know what Yohami and Pancake were saying is true… that many women will blow you out for too much overt sex referencing before you get them into bed…
But this works for me all the time. It just does. As far as I’m concerned, it’s field tested. Maybe I am helping/hurting results by a few percentage points… but this is not a dead end. Might work for me better than others, not because I’m hot shit, but because something else about me is generating enough comfort to let this go over well? I’m still thinking about this.
And I want to point out… that the “rule” about not getting too sexual w/ a girl before you have her at your place… applies more to the approach/pickup than to the date. This is my current position on all this.
If I open on the street with “I want to put you in the shower, pull you out, put you in my bed and lick you everywhere,” no.. .that girl is not going to date me. That’s bad calibration. Too much for the context. She’d have to be a freak to go for that.
But if I’m on a date, she’s already invested, Yohami would say “she is there for sex,” and we ease into that comment… it’s calibrated.
And I’ve said elsewhere… I think it’s a comfort technique. She is already on common sexual ground with me before I take her clothes off. I am convinced that helps build comfort, and excitement, at the same time. And you are 100 miles away from some guy talking about jobs or more generic “I love to travel” talk. I don’t want to be that guy.
I like the rule that Pancake/Yohami are pointing to… but again, not all stages of the model are the same. I use that stuff early — what you call “SEVE” on your blog post — but not in the pickup.
I’m not convinced there is anything wrong with how I’m using sex talk. I’m not convinced it’s hurting me… as long as I calibrate it to the girl, and her reaction. In fact, her, watching me calibrate on the fly… could help her see my value and help her know that I know women. If she is uncomfortable, and I back up in a smooth way… that’s demonstrating that she can trust me to take care of her.
Nash,
Is about telling a girl that when you bring her home you’re going to kiss her everywhere, talking about fucking her the whole date, asking her to go to your place, when “she hasnt even kissed you yet” then she declines extraction and kissing.
She declining extraction means that she wasnt ready (turned on enough). She declining kissing means she wasnt ready (turned on enough). Since she was there for sex, and is there wanting to figure out, or getting turned on enough to “let it happen”, there were windows and paths for escalation that you didnt see, didnt take, little tests you failed, things she offered and you didnt take, little elevators you didnt pursue, and shes till either waiting for you to take advantage, or already made up her mind and is not going to happen.
In that area is where Im saying “maybe its all the sex talk”. or, “maybe you’re too comfortable doing what you always do and not paying attention to her puzzle, what she wants, what turns her on, and HOW she wants this to happen tonight”.
I never engaged in sex talk for another reason – I learned not to go in interview mode. In my real life I dont care, dont care about her past, dont care when she was kissed, dont care about what she comes, she’s not that interesting, I only care about a few things: is she fun, is she good at conversation, is she sexy, and, what can we do spontaneously to have fun and escalate, paying attention to puzzle / wants / turns on.
With every girl that was something different, recollections:
– Few of them would talk family or relationship tragedies, I just stood there asking more questions, getting deep, watching them cry (first fucking date), telling them what I know about how to get better (feel the pain, embrace life, live fully – yes you know there this is going), hug, kiss, taxi.
– Few of them sub segment of topics, politics, religion, social norms, etc, smart but fighty girls. There a good laughs and “let me show you how Im right and you’re wrong”
– Lots of them, sexual banter, creating situations that are sexual and fun, check Luke’s videos, that sort of thing
– In social setups, fucking immense lots of amoging, teasing, leading, organizing of the whole group, again check Luke’s videos, there’s always someone who’s leading the party, he gets the most girls
– Lots of them, plain chit chat
– Lots of them love to judge, so it’s about judging people and what not
– A few of them actual sexual talk like what you do Nash
– With guys in parties, most of the time mini coaching them about some chick they want to fuck or wants to fuck them, often setting them up, which has the side effect of validating me in the eyes of all the girls around the situation
What I learned not to do was to set my own subject of conversation and repeat it every time. I dont have a subject. The subjects that I like the most are not mainstream, and I dont have them as commonalities. My subjects scare people. Which is fine “Im dangerous”. But bottom line is who cares. Constants are the same.
The girl is there for sex, will present a puzzle, will have something that will turn her on. IF I like her and find her fun, I’ll entertain her while she entertains me, display my values, roleplay with her, find what she wants, if that’s compatible with me I’ll give it to her, but teasing her first, I’ll turn her on, she’ll say Im a jerk, I’ll make out and grab her ass, boobs and pussy, she’ll say “wow that’s the best first kiss ever”, I’ll take her home and bang her.
Then I’ll figure out where she was born, her name, pets, if she gives me a reason to care.
Back to you Nash –
If you love the sex talk keep it, if it’s a strength of yours, play to your strengths. Try adding the rest of things to your mix – go after what she wants, puzzle, turns on, and escalate physically with teasings and what not. Just pay attention that you’re not “playing to your strengths” to the point where you’re blind to what’s being offered to you.
A story about that:
When I was starting Game but mid way, I was in a bar alone, hanging against a wall, kind of clueless, watching everyone, seeing the patterns of behavior of who chases who. I was in high introspective analytic mode. A guy came talk to me to socialize, we had a couple drinks. There was a cute girl across the bar alone, looking around. I raised my arm and voice “HEY, come HERE”. She came with a strangely happy face. I asked her what she was doing looking around, told her how me and the guy friend where analysing stuff. She turned out to be kind of smart so we kept talking. The guy friend left, Then new girl’s girl-friend that she was waiting for arrived and we ended up having a super deep conversation about sexual dynamics, pick up, philosophy and what not until the bar closed, we had to walk out at 8am and went to a mac donalds to have breakfast (sandwiches and coffee) and continue talking, then “good bye” and stuff. Of course they got my facebook. I did see them again.
Looking back, both girls where just waiting for me to make a move and pick one, or escalate and fuck both of them. Instead I was so into my own reality that I didnt understand what it meant that “the girl came to me when I called her across the bar” or “she brought her girlfriend and both stayed with me”, I didnt see all the paths for escalation, didnt see what they were saying “yes” to. I “didnt see sex on the table”. On the other hand if I had said out of nowhere “ok let’s go home and I’ll fuck both of you” I wouldnt have gotten it, because I hadnt escalated yet. I could have said “lets go home, I have breakfast there” and then escalated at home. Many things. I just didnt see them.
But of course I did fuck them both weeks later. Good times.
To make it more precise:
“I never engaged in sex talk for another reason”
Means: I never made it the subject unless that was the subject – like this pro volunteering the threesome story, or the other one saying that she wanted to experience sexually. Likewise interview mode talking about her life, never made the conversation about it unless she’s fixated on it (in which case I’d talk about to to redirect it to where we can have fun)
Making a list or a plan, like “Im going to talk about this subject on the date”, or “Im going to be vulnerable and enthusiastic” or “I talk sex” or “Im going to talk deep philosophical shit” makes you go off-synch with the girl. It’s like playing chess and thinking you know what you’re going to do in the game, before she even makes a move. Or making a plan of what you’re going to do in a tennis match before knowing who you’re playing against.
It worked on a Yes girl who brought up threesomes. Very different situation.
“She’s totally more in the ‘pro’ side, but most girls are closer to be like her than to the idealistic ‘good girl’ ”
1. yohami thinks most girls are closer to being professional sex workers than to being idealistic good girls.
2. yohami doesn’t believe in daygame.
the first one is sad, and the second is also sad, but i think yohami is finally coming around to realizing he was wrong — isn’t that right, yohami?
“1. yohami thinks most girls are closer to being professional sex workers than to being idealistic good girls.”
Correct.
“2. yohami doesn’t believe in daygame.”
This makes no sense. Game can only exist as 1 is true. You’re holding contradictory beliefs, by thinking you can display flashy value, emulate alpha behavior, press the right buttons, and get sex with a girl, while at the same time thinking that girls are “good girls”
Stop making yourself crazy.
Second, game is not a “belief”, here’s what you would have to write to make sense:
“Yohami doesnt believe that a man can go in the streets during day and pick up hotties”
No, of course I believe that, I can do it, I’ve seen others do it, plenty of RDS videos and other guys do it, try again.
“Yohami doesnt believe than an average guy can go in the streets during day and pick up hotties”
That’s closer but that’s not the whole story, try again:
“Yohami doesnt believe that an average guy can go in the streets and approach 15-20 girls a day, hotties and plain janes, do it thousands of times, get flake numbers, and eventually find some girl who likes him”
Oh no, I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETELY. Now ask me if that’s a good idea or use of your time, if you’re real about learning game.
“Yohami doesnt believe that hitting girls when they are not looking for sex, in a setup where your value is not raised or assumed, and you have to display it in a short amount of time or be discarded, all after you’ve chased her because you’re scarce, is a good ENVIROMENT for the AVERAGE GUY to learn the behaviors to be naturally good with women, and experience success quick”
Bingo, now you got it. I totally believe there are way better ways, specially for newcomers.
“Yohami doesnt believe there’s an easy 1-2-3 model that the average guy can follow and fuck model-quality girls at easy, just by perfecting the 1-2-3”
Correct. What I believe is that every man who wants to take the prize has to realize their position in the world, in life, clear his life from bullshit, and do the thing for real, that’s the adventure. I see all the 1-2-3 methods as distractions to not do the real thing. Ways to stay in the same place, same position, same excuses.
“the first one is sad”
I’ll give you a hug. But yes, women are carnivorous. Red pill bro.
“and the second is also sad”
No that was your lack of understanding.
“but i think yohami is finally coming around to realizing he was wrong — isn’t that right, yohami?”
No you’re wrong as usual.
By the way man, you’re probably not going to reply this but if you read it, think about it.
Madona/Whore.
I go to your Twitter page and I find “If she’s wearing high heels, she want’s anal” right there in the banner.
Pinned tweet: “One of the biggest mistakes you can make is to think she is innocent.”
Your blog, call women sluts and whores all the time. Dickslap, choke, denigrate. Little house of horror.
But then the rest of the time, you’re offended about “alphas” wanting to have sex quick, and you’re defending girls, rooting for a vague concept of “good girls” (will stop being vague when you define it) etc.
What’s up with that?
It’s like watching two different people fight over principles, one each the other, and one hates himself. What’s up with that?
In my mind you took a red pillow but you didnt swallow and it’s fucking you up. Your mind and heart are at different places, with anger communicating between the two. You know that girls are sluts but that makes you mad. Your heart wants salvation in the form of a good girl. That you would proceed to abuse? what’s up with this.
What do you want? do you know?
In my mind I always saw a clear path to victory for you – you’re a talented photographer, great sensibility, with a lot of intelligence, great writer, in a city that favors all these things. Clear path to success = embrace who you are and go in for the fame. Get big and let the girls come to you.
Whatever is holding you back, I can’t see.
Which is why I come back to thinking maybe you don’t want it easy? dont want the thousand girls coming to you? dont want that the girls are knocking in your life to be part of it? do you WANT the struggle of not having it?
Am I actually wrong and not every man wants the prize? do some men prefer the shadows, even when light is at their reach? is this form the final form and not a transitional form?
What’s your take?