First Date with Online Girl || More Girl Tornado
I didn’t have a date last night. It was the first night all week I had off. I’m not 100% confident it will continue… but I am in a solid girl tornado right now.
Tonight’s date was a girl from an online app. She is just over 30, looked very cute in her photos. Asian (of course). She turned out to be from Taiwan, but of Chinese descent, living in NYC for the last few years.
In person… she wasn’t quite as cute as online. Oh well. I had “members only” tickets to an opening party at the art museum, booked them weeks ago… as this date was for tonight, I invited her.
It’s pissing rain outside… then and now. She showed up, soaked, a wet rat. And with nerdy glasses… apparently this is part of the Chinese girl “uniform.” She was dressed in all black, but conservative. Dress, up to her neck, with thick black tights underneath. Black flats. Not very sexy.
I wasn’t disappointed… but I sort of “switched gears,” into a lower expectation mode. Like I said with my date with the Korean girl on Monday, I can talk to any girl for a night, no problem, so I wasn’t worried… I just figured this would be a simple date, with a simple girl.
Do you see what I did here?? I read her as a “nice girl.” I’m a fool. I should know better.
This is THE THING for me and girls right now. Do NOT judge a book by its cover. You foolish, inexperienced man. Do not, project your bullshit prejudices onto girls. If you do… they won’t correct you. They will play the boring role you give them. That’s what you get for your lack of imagination. But if you assume they all want “to dance,” you might be surprised how wicked they are under those tights.
So… we check her bag and soggy coat. I had asked her a few normal questions… got her name down, why she is in this city (it’s not permanent), where she was raised, how long she lived in NYC, etc. We get our tickets and go upstairs. We are maybe 3 minutes into looking at some photos and she mentions something about girls and me. And I ask when her last boyfriend was… trying to “feel her out,” as they say. And she tells me she broke up 4 months ago. A white guy, long distance, also from CA. He dumped her… “disappeared.”
So I ask… was the relationship more about romance or was there a good sexual connection? To be honest, I was going to ask some self-esteem questions, as I want to learn to use that to screen girls… that was where I was going.
And you might know that I love to talk to girls about sex. I always do. First date… sex questions. This is a strength of mine. But with this girl, I was taking it easy. I was “fishing” a bit with that question, didn’t expect it to go anywhere. I had no idea where it was going to go.
So she says something like… my BF broke up with me and now I feel like experimenting sexually. Something like that.
But it wasn’t what she said. It was a quality in her smile. Nerdy glasses, slightly hunched shoulders, conservative clothes… but suddenly, a sparkle in her eyes. Something about the shine on her pouty bottom lip. Magic in her smile.
So I start telling her that I love the “what is a good girl” conversation. And from there… I end up on a very hot date w/ a nerdy Chinese girl. Again.
It’s so hot, that the museum suddenly makes no sense at all. Neither of us care about the art. We are only 15 minutes into the date at this point.
She is submissive, sort of lingers behind me a half a pace at all times, and I have to ignore her and walk forward to get us to move. If I pay any attention to her at all, turn toward her, she’ll stop walking, lagging behind me, stare at me and listen to me talk. And we go nowhere. So I sort of march ahead of her, trying to get her outside.
18 minutes in… we are talking about threesomes. I am working up to my new favorite topic for “good girls” — “two cocks, one girl” — and I realize we can’t stay in the museum anymore. I tell her I want to have this conversation over drinks. We leave.
We’re walking to a nearby bar. Sex talk continues.
She has had less than 10 partners… I told her I’ll tell her how many sex partners I’ve had after she and I have sex. She mentioned early she is curious to know if she is bisexual. She has never kissed a girl, but is ready to try. At some point I’m asking her about what she wants from a girl, and she says, “do you mean do I want to lick her pussy?” And I tell her I love her. At that moment I do. Nerdy Chinese girls talking about eating pussy… I am in heaven. Thank you, Baby Jesus.
On the way to the bar, I stop her. Grab her by the bicep — a common thing I do with girls — and I tell her, I know this is strange, but I feel like kissing her, and I go for it. 20 minutes into the date. She rejects me, but loves it.
At the bar. I ask if the idea of two cocks in her at once turns her on. She says it does.
She tells me about how she was in France recently. She met a guy online. They went out. She asked him about sex stories, and he told her everything. She thinks every French person has had 40-something partners. She fucked that guy.
She last masturbated yesterday. In the shower or in bed? In bed. At night or in the morning? At night. It helps her sleep. She didn’t watch porn, but when she does… she used to like Asian porn, but now she likes Russian porn. She didn’t get off last night to porn. What was she thinking about? The guy from Paris. Ummmm. Her nerdy little fingers rubbing her clit until she passes out. I love that. She doesn’t have a sex toy.
She asked me if I like deep throat. I tell her I do and ask if she can do that. She says yes.
I asked her about where she is staying. With friends. She has to be home by 10. She doesn’t have a key, so they have to let her in.
At this point, I have been talking about fucking her for most of the date. First hinting it. Then explicit. Zero resistance to that idea. I tell her we should go to my place, but she won’t do it. “Next time.” Second time I’ve heard that this week.
And… she won’t kiss me. What the fuck is up w/ Chinese girls that won’t kiss me right now?? She says she doesn’t like “blondes,” and laughs about it. So… I suck her ear, and she loves it. Then I suck her neck, and she tells me I have a great mouth. And I tell her when she comes over, she should be very clean as I am going to lick her everywhere.
I put my hand on her neck. Mock-choke her as I suck on her. I reach my hand between her legs, no resistance, and rub her pussy through her tights. I put her hand on my cock. She is smiling and loving all this.
Krauser was saying in one of his products that he gets a hard-on in about 1 out of 4 daygame sets. That… never happens to me. Never. I almost never get a hard cock unless I am in bed, and sex is explicit. This girl… semi-chub the whole time in the museum. Full hard-on in the bar. Pre-come on my leg. The whole thing. This has never happened to me before.
I haven’t had an orgasm since I fucked Firecracker on Sunday… but still. I’m amazed at how this girl turns me on. She is a 7 for me. But would probably be a 6 for most guys. I’m terribly hard with her.
What the fuck is up with this girl and I??? Fascinating. She says I’m the most interesting guy she’s ever met. I assume a lot of that was flattery and bullshit. But… it was a crazy fucking date, even by my standards, and I know I’ve had a lot more experience than she’s had. And we obviously have great chemistry.
It’s already after 10. She is in a panic to get a car home when she realizes that. I tell her to tell the guy she is staying with that she is at “a lecture” and it’s going late. I tell her to tell him to put a key under the rug. She won’t do it. She doesn’t want to fuck up the situation. She is staying with him for a few more days, and she doesn’t want to fuck that up.
I did ask if she was fucking that guy. She said no. He is a friend of a friend. He did try to date her, right away. But she said he is not her type… boring Asian guy. Very “nice.” Yes, it has occurred to me that she is likely fucking him. But I think she would have told me, given the rest of our conversation. I don’t really care either way.
So that’s it. I am nearly blue-balled in a 2 hour date w/ a nerdy Chinese girl. She leaves for LA next week. I have plans every night… but we know she can’t be out at night, so maybe we can work this out.
For now… the plan is that she might come over tomorrow afternoon. Or Monday morning.
I won’t hold my breath… but I might fuck this girl. I want to fuck this girl.
I would say “viva daygame,” but she is an online girl. I’ve never fucked anyone I’ve met online (very little experience there, most of it a long time ago). But… I was able to move like this with her, because I am in the girl tornado. And that is all daygame – I ran game today, as a matter of fact.
And this kind of potential is what I was getting while I did my first 1000 approaches and never got laid. This kind of “shampoo effect” where I would get action that would sort of cascade off of daygame momentum.
4th date this week. Good times.
“I feel like experimenting sexually”
Welcome to the real world.
“I have been talking about fucking her for most of the date”
See, for me, that’s the issue. She was there for sex and is in for crazy sex stuff, just like every other girl, specially every other girl who said yes to a guy who picked up in the street. There is a type of girl who will say yes to that. It IS a very straightforward sexual setup, so you have to keep it consistent.
You’re taking a different route and instead of escalating in HER you’re escalating verbally and doing interviews. Nothing wrong with having a conversation, but that’s not the road.
Just like with “Honest girl” the path was to be low energy, dominant” and take her in a boring way (the more you do it the more her LUST goes up), with this one it was about “sexual experience” as she clearly told you that was her puzzle. TALKING about it is not DOING IT. The escalation needs to happen.
“I tell her we should go to my place”
You haven escalated physically yet.
“but she won’t do it.”
” “Next time.” Second time I’ve heard that this week.”
Like I said, the girl tornado will put you in the same situation once and again until you figure it out.
Few tips on physical escalation, no particular order, just tips
– When in the bar talking to each other play with her hands, your fingers in her palm
– Grab her hands
– When standing, grab her by the waist, pull her body into your body
– Ask her to kiss you in the cheek, tell her she’s turning you on
– If sitting next to each other, your hand in her leg
– When doing any physical move, focus on feeling that you are PULLING, you’re going to take this girl somewhere, you’re a magnet, you’re excercising gravity, youre the earth, she’s the moon, her body will collapse in you. This as opposed to you PUSHING on her, looking for entrances or resistances. When you PULL, she must be soft and light. When you push, you turn her into solid and resistant. physics. Let her be the girl. The exception is when you have your cock in her pussy (still clothed), then that’s a push, but your hands in her ass are the PULL).
– For all the physical interactions, you need a tease, tension, and release. The tease is visual contact, if you’re going for a kiss stop and look at her and her libs, LET HER feel the tension, then raise your chin and tell her to kiss you. When you touch her, specially at the beginning, make that contact very decisive, as if you’re taking her and she’s your territory. After you’ve done physical things, LET HER GO, create a void, that’s the release, will make her want more, and give you room for being detached and escalate.
My default behavior when I was in a date: chat chat chat drink chat hand play hands in her, tell her “give me a kiss”, hands in ass, make out (depending on location) hand in boob, hand in pussy, “taxi!”, go home for explosive sex.
Back to you:
“It’s already after 10. She is in a panic to get a car home when she realizes that.”
BS. She exited the date.
” I tell her to tell him to put a key under the rug. ”
I like that. Tell her to do things. This was missing with firecraker that other day. This one wasnt in the point to have sex (lack of escalation), but if you get her to the point where she wants to have sex chances are she wouldnt even tell you about that she had plans, she’ll cancel them on her own.
“For now… the plan is that she might come over tomorrow afternoon. Or Monday morning.”
“Nothing wrong with having a conversation, but that’s not the road.”
The exception is that when doing sexual conversation is what turns her on.
You have to find what is what turns her on in the date. So find what the puzzle is, and what turns her on. What turns her on is the key of the puzzle. The way you have to deliver what turns her on, or the ingredient that you must always add to the mix, is “alpha”, or to avoid confusions: “dominance, decisiveness, asertiveness, confidence, sexual swagger, fun vibe, aggression (related to taking lead), up in the hierarchy”.
So with THAI girl Im lost because something is missing in the story
FireCracker likes YOU so what comes to you normally turns her on. What you did physically with her would work on any girl. But she got to your apartment before escalating physically, that’s how much she likes you. So her puzzle is something about using her for sex and not interfering her her other emotional ties, and what turns her on is the physical interactions and all the banter humor.
See how that interaction lets you be “the man” and now every other girl wants a piece of you? that’s “the real world”. Do all you can to break out of your old-current reality and embrace the new one. This including picking up girls in the street by not doing pick up but talking to them. Let me know if that makes sense.
Then Honest Girl, her puzzle was the ambivalence, and what turner her on was the low key dominant stuff.
This one, the puzzle is the “sexual experience”. What turn her on, or, “what does she want”?
If you go back when I started commenting on your pickup, my dislike of daygame is that you would be rejected by a lot of girls in under two minutes but you wouldnt be able to find WHY, aka, you wouldnt know their puzzles, and wouldnt know what turns them on. THIS is the key to everything, because otherwise you dont have a Game to do, since you dont know the rules, and cant improve because there’s no framework.
The Girl Tornado is the best thing that can happen to you because you’ll see all these things and have time to explore them.
Make no. 1 priority that that you KNOW what the girl puzzle is, and what turns her on. This is “what she wants”. Without it, you only have your own recollection, and your own recollection gets tampered with personal bias and preferences.
Hope that helps.
Warning, harsh truths incoming:
“First date… sex questions. This is a strength of mine.”
What would you rather be a strength of yours, talking about sex or having sex?
Stop talking explicitly about sex on the first date. Like Yohami says, you are giving girls the full validation of a sexual experience without actually having to have sex.
“And I tell her when she comes over, she should be very clean as I am going to lick her everywhere.”
You are fully triggering her anti-slut defense by going into such viscid details, and by inviting her over with no pretense, it’s not fun for her. You’re breaking her need for covert communication.
Keep sex talk to a minimum. Don’t tell her what you’re going to do to her, *imply* it. And invite her over for a “quick nightcap” before she goes home, so she has plausible deniability.
“Boy, I didn’t know *that* was going to happen. Nash invited me home for a quick coffee and the next moment, we were fucking. Whoops!”
first of all, killer story nash. awesome field report. you got into some great details and told a compelling story.
second point, “Warning, harsh truths incoming” — who is this guy? anybody who doesn’t appreciate this post and instead chooses to arrogantly write about all the stuff they **know** you are doing wrong — which in fact, you may NOT be doing wrong, it’s hard to determine — all that arrogant posturing just encourages more of the same from other paper alphas. meanwhile, these PAs probably don’t even have the courage to do a yad stop if their life depended on it.
third, having said all that, i do think PM may have a point. i tried all that explicit verbal escalation stuff too, and yeah, it may be too obvious. i mean, it did work for you with that other girl — and it did work for me more than once — but i do think that talking about other things, while teasing her, eye fucking her, pulling her in — i like that yohami description — and then pushing her away — letting all of that bubble under the surface — that, i am beginning to believe, is the best way to get her so turned on that she needs to get sexual release by putting your cock in her mouth.
just thinking out loud. i could be wrong. or it could depend on the girl. there are lots of possibilities. game is as much an art as a science. and that’s why pancake mouse annoys me — his arrogant posturing — PRETENDING he has all the answers — that’s laughable.
congrats on a killer date — on FOUR killer dates this week, my man.
you are kicking ass.