First Date with Virgin Girl
Ahhhh… That was a great experience. I’m in this for experiences.
I picked her up this week, on Tuesday. I ran a monster day of a approaching, picked up a few leads, and had a great time. She is one of two teenage girls I talked to that afternoon*.
That is not my target age group, but they were both interesting moments. This one is more young than cute, but definitely both. And at 19… of course this is an unusual experience for me, a unique blend of a space where I am comfortable (as a man that has a lot of experience with girls, in many ways she was no different) and elements that show me this is an edge for me (as she is out of my comfort zone because of her age).
And now that I know she is a virgin, of course the flavor is a bit richer.
I was going to take this girl on a daytime date… psychologically, as she is much younger, I thought I’d start there. Currently, I don’t think there is any such thing as what we think of as a “good girl.” But, as she is 19, I can’t guarantee she has “seen it all.” In this case, she has seen almost nothing. I won’t deny that the sweet girl is potentially venomous (I’m sure she has her own power), but I am intentionally being a little less aggressive with her.
Anyway, we negotiate the date, and as I have some time in the near-term, I throw “dinner tomorrow” into some options for her. She skips the distant day date, and takes an asap date at night. Okay, good. So much for a the daytime date.
I meet her exactly where I picked her up, and take her off down the sidewalk, chatting about her day in school. She is in college, like most of the girls I’ve dated lately, but most of my dates have been mid-20s Asian girls here for art school or language classes. This one graduated highschool 3 months ago. On the YHT spectrum, she is certainly young and chaste, if not particularly hot or beautiful.
The date was for ramen (at a place I have taken a lot of girls), and for some reason she had to be home by 8. Turned out that she had plans to play some online video game with a friend in China. She spends a lot of time Skyping and We-chating with other Chinese people. I love the details of her life. This is all interesting to me.
We set up a quick date for noodles with a hard stop at 8 PM. Just in case… I had my place ready, Cheesecake Trap was set, I even had condoms in my pocket (I bought a carrying case after I missed a lay with Miss NYC)… but I expected a quick simple date, and it was that.
She was cuter than when I met her. Really not as cute as I want to be dating, but she made my cock hard over and over on the date. No girl has ever done that to me before — all without being overtly sexual. She was dressed for the date in girly pants and a gauze-like top – she was trying to look good. I am imagining some influence from her mom, as her style is mature, high-quality clothes, a little on the conservative side. Her thick, dark hair halfway down her back. Very feminine. Perfume. And she seemed very happy to be on the date… and surprisingly comfortable.
She came here from near Shanghai. She is from a wealthy family, her mom is doctor and her dad owns a design company that does props for special events. She came to the US at 15 for high school. She just graduated and is in art school here in the city. Most of her friends are at east coast schools. She has had one BF, long distance in China, saw him 4 times a year. I accused her of having kissed 20(!), 30(!!) or 50(!!!) guys… she giggled and said she has kisses 4 boys. I believe that.
“I am curious, so I’ll ask… are you a virgin?”
— Nash
She has never had sex. She is not that curious about it, so she says. Many of her friends have “found the right guy” and had sex and it was “ehhhhh.” That’s what she has heard. I asked if she’s had sexual dreams and she said, “I dreamed I kissed my favorite movie star recently.” Forgive me for not having more details, you know I love to ask these things with women, but I felt like I had seen a lot of what she had to show… which was not much.
I asked when I picked her up if she was used to older men approaching her and she laughed and said no. So tonight I was more open than usual to taking to her about my age. And she guessed “are you already 30?”, and I said, “much older, I’m twice your age.” I felt solid about that, still do. She didn’t blink. Cool.
Conversation was good. She is young, but smart and the whole adventure is about the experience of her and the world through her eyes. She delivered on that. I had a great time being with her.
She was feminine and adorable at every turn. She dips her shoulder and runs her fingers over and over thru a lock of hair. She laughs often and easy. She covers her mouth in a very cute way. Little flushes of embarrassment. Takes compliments extremely well… seems to really love each one.
I asked her why she likes me. (Which I’ve never done before.) And it was a few things, but all I remember was her saying she likes it when people tell her she’s pretty. Of course she does. And she got so fem when she said it. That was amazing to see. I inspired that moment. I was inspired by that moment. She’s precious.
So I told her I was not going to kiss her and she giggled some more. My reasoning for that was that I want her to know what she is getting in to. Maybe I will regret that. But given she is a young 19, I am telegraphing my intent. She loves it. Eyes popping, she was gushing. Very hot. I know she is ready to kiss me, and start some sexuality, if she sees me again. Who knows if she will?
I will try to see her again.
And I had the experience of her and the race car from NYC within 8 days, completely opposite dates, vastly different women, both from daygame. It was a good week.
Viva daygame.
* For the record, I am not interested in dating girls under 18. Not at all. I do not try. I will not try. My preferred range is 23-29. But I am experimenting and pursuing experiences, so 18+ is worth exploring when that feels right.
“She was feminine and adorable at every turn. She dips her shoulder and runs her fingers over and over thru a lock of hair. She laughs often and easy. She covers her mouth in a very cute way. Little flushes of embarrassment. Takes compliments extremely well… seems to really love each one.”
i love the little details. great field report.
Good story – but oh my oh my again, you again, you again.
The story: a plain jane is picked up by a dangerous alpha wolf, she’s unexperienced, she wants the cock, she says yes. Then, instead of escalating, the dangerous wolf puts on a sheep costume and let’s her go. But hey, if she comes to me again, she KNOWS it’s for real hey! you even threw some tussle on it, just for effect.
Questions:
1) What was her puzzle? did she disqualify you in any way, put you through some hoops, carried any framework, or did she responded openly to everything (that’s how she sounds in the story) which means you can escalate and progress?
2) What turned her on? she responded well to compliments, she wants to feel beautiful and get attention, what else? this one is a piece of cake
3) What did she want? what is she there for? what’s the role she sees for you in her life, in that date, and after? usually I ask this as “what kind of men would se say yes to?”, but based on this story, you are the kind of man she says yes to.
Comments:
“I was going to take this girl on a daytime date”
Let HER put the brakes. Set your dates after 10pm for a change, you see what happened the last time.
“But, as she is 19, I can’t guarantee she has “seen it all.” In this case, she has seen almost nothing.”
19 year old going on a date with a 43 year old womanizer. What does she want?
“(I’m sure she has her own power)”
She’s getting you hard – her powers are fine.
“but I am intentionally being a little less aggressive with her”
Goes without comments.
“She skips the distant day date, and takes an asap date at night.”
She’s ready, and wants it now.
“Okay, good. So much for a the daytime date.”
You try to go slow, and the girl herself tells you to go faster and riskier.
“for some reason she had to be home by 8”
This is tipically to be a false time constraint, like the PUA technique “I only have a couple minutes”, gives them an easy out if things dont go well, but can be lifted and ignored if things go well. Firecraker comes to mind.
“Just in case… I had my place ready, Cheesecake Trap was set, I even had condoms in my pocket ”
Bravo.
“I expected a quick simple date, and it was that.”
Advice, try to make dates exciting and physical. The more endorphines the better, it creates high-peak emotional bonds, and lust, and spark. Check what they do in the dates in the Bachelor. You don’t have to go all over the top but adventure + risk + body movements + closeness + kino + good chemistry = great sex.
“Really not as cute as I want to be dating, but she made my cock hard over and over on the date. No girl has ever done that to me before — all without being overtly sexual. ”
She’s probably ovulating and you’re genetically compatible.
“And she seemed very happy to be on the date… and surprisingly comfortable.”
She’s ready.
“I am curious, so I’ll ask… are you a virgin?”
I let a precious virgin escape for not making a move. Bah it was quite a few of them. Funny some of my girlfriends were virgins, different story.
“I dreamed I kissed my favorite movie star recently.”
Funny, I brought up “Bieber” game in the last comment. Good girl = dreams to fuck the uber alpha.
“but I felt like I had seen a lot of what she had to show”
And she’s with you now because she wants more experiences.
“She didn’t blink.”
She’s ready. No resistance. No puzzle. Only rapport and surrendering. The initial attraction was a good peak for her, now she wants to soak it in, and let herself go, where will the dangerous wolf she’s surrendering to take her? where oh my oh my.
“She is young, but smart and the whole adventure is about the experience of her and the world through her eyes. She delivered on that. I had a great time being with her. She was feminine and adorable at every turn. ”
She sounds fun.
“She laughs often and easy. She covers her mouth in a very cute way. Little flushes of embarrassment. Takes compliments extremely well”
It’s like she’s taking herself to bed.
“And she got so fem when she said it. That was amazing to see. I inspired that moment. I was inspired by that moment. She’s precious.”
THIS. TREASURE THIS MOMENT. Well done, look at it.
Remember when you went low energy and intimate with the sad girl, and it felt strangely magical. And now this moment when you “understood” her and delivered. Or that moment with firecraker when you stimulated her physically before the first sex and she told you she was wet. And Im assuming there was a very upfront sexual moment with the 30 year old squirting hooker – maybe when you made her squirt? whatever.
That is “what turns her on”. That’s the path for escalation, it’s the key for the puzzle, and is what matters in this specific interaction. Girls have several of these spots. Find them, double down there, and escalate to YOUR agenda, which is the same as their agenda really.
I think your Tussle for example was the “turn on” for some previous relationship and why you use it, like it was a game seduction tool. Here’s where every girl is different, a different combination, a special flower. Where they are all the same though, is that when you touch them there, and you know what you are doing, they all come. Or squirt in your case.
Turn them on.
“So I told her I was not going to kiss her”
Sure why don’t you add some Tussle in the mix.
“My reasoning for that was that I want her to know what she is getting in to”
That would be a reasoning if it didnt happen so often in so, so many different situations with so different girls. What you’re doing here, I assume, is creating a puzzle of your own, a barrier that she must jump into. YOU don’t believe that she’s there for sex, you dont believe that she likes you, so you invent an imaginary test that she must pass so you get the message that she wants it.
You could have paid attention to the validation she gave you just a second before. The correct response for that validation, was to escalate. You built a wall instead.
Your job is to tear walls down.
“Maybe I will regret that.”
The last time you did this I told ya “the girl tornado will put you in this same exact scenario until you figure it out”. And here you go.
“But given she is a young 19, I am telegraphing my intent. She loves it. Eyes popping, she was gushing. Very hot. I know she is ready to kiss me, and start some sexuality, if she sees me again. Who knows if she will?”
blah blah blah.
“I will try to see her again.”
My reading of this story is, again, that this girl is gone, unless you un-tussle it. The exception is when either girls like you a lot and they let you do stuff like this, or when they are freaks and like you ‘because of this’ (these are the worst). My reading is that this girl is gone because she didnt get the product she was advertised. I did this kind of thing often, not moving forward when the path was open (not knowing what is a path and when it’s open), and girls dont like it, it presses the wrong button.
But congrats anyway, how do we learn?
Viva Girl Tornado.
“I dreamed I kissed my favorite movie star recently.”
Questions I’d ask: who is he? what do you like about him? – lots of information there. And of course it was not just kissing, she probably had him tied up while she did unthinkable things.
“she probably had him tied up while she did unthinkable things.”
another example where yohami fails as a mentor and as a man. yohami is convinced all women are dirty whores, all the time, since they are born apparently.
i mean, i think we all agree, like jimmy jambone said, that all women have THE POTENTIAL to be slutty, but i like the spectrum that JJ said. that spectrum is from “less slutty” to “more slutty” — and of course, there is a HUGE time factor. i would say many or most 35 yo women have started to experiment with stuff like anal sex or whatever bc, hey we all get curious.
but this girl was 19 and not that experienced — why does she have to be thinking such dirty thoughts? can’t any girl be a “late bloomer” yohami? or does every girl have to have the mind of a whore since the age of four??
Riv,
“she probably had him tied up while she did unthinkable things.”
That is a classical tease, has humour on it – unthinkable things makes you think of things without stating them – and you can use it to frame, tease, roleplay etc, aka seduce the girl.
Try this the next time. When you hear a girl saying she dreamed “kissing” her favourite movie star, accuse her (jokingly) that it was not just “kissing” but that she probably had him tied up and she did unthinkable things to him.
This is a basic roleplay, bad girl scenario, and girls love it, and they love it because it’s true, and love being free to express it.
You, as the man who is going to bang them, are the terrain where they can express it.
“yohami is convinced all women are dirty whores, all the time, since they are born apparently.”
I scratch my head with you, my man, because all of this is coming from a very, BLUE PILL AS FUCK place. What is up with this? it’s like you’re offended at your core at the suggestion that women want cock, then the rest of the time you’re saying the all want anal and you’re gonna dickslap them. What’s going on with you? to the point:
“yohami is convinced all women are dirty whores”
No, and I don’t understand the proposition. The truth is that women are sexual. Is being sexual the same as being a whore? can you define what is a whore? can you define what you find offensive here.
“whores, all the time”
What is this?
“since they are born apparently.”
All women whores since they are born? what are you talking about?
But then clueless and confused:
“this girl was 19 and not that experienced”
How do you know that “lack of experience” is not the hook she’s using on you to get you attracted?
“why does she have to be thinking such dirty thoughts?”
What is “dirty” here?
” can’t any girl be a “late bloomer” yohami?”
A 19 year old girl is going out with a 43 year old womanizer who picked her on the street. What does she want?
“does every girl have to have the mind of a whore since the age of four??”
Age of four – what are you even talking about? what is “the mind of a whore” ?
Dude.
Riv… have you read My Secret Garden? Story after story about girls thinking about having sex with dogs, horses, lots of black guy fantasies, etc.
It’s not that they are “whores”… it’s that this kind of CONTENT is already on their minds. Maybe they haven’t done it, maybe they want to wait 3 dates before they have missionary sex… but they have thought a lot of things. When we get on the level to share that with them, they “feel seen” as the hippies say.
My ex… best sex of my life… one time in the shower, she was closing her eyes and standing under the flow of the water, and she said she was imagining it was my come, raining down all over her face, and she opened her mouth as she said it. I loved that about her.. that she had thoughts like that… of showering in my come… and would tell me about them.
There is no such thing as a good girl… that box is much smaller than we think it is, and there are very few girls in there that we didn’t mistakenly put there ourselves.
I want to let those girls out of that “good girl” box.
I’d say the first step is to define what is a “good girl”, what is a “whore” etc, all I see is words flying with emotion tied to them, but no proper meaning
>> but oh my oh my again, you again, you again.
Yeah… I know. I did add some tussle here. I don’t think she was coming home w/ me… but the daytime date… all that thinking… unnecessary.
>> “for some reason she had to be home by 8”
>> This is tipically to be a false time constraint,
Yeah. I took it seriously. It was play a video game, but I took the appointment with the friend at face value.
>> 30 year old squirting hooker
Hahahahaah
“I don’t think she was coming home w/ me…”
Maybe she wasnt, but
“Eyes popping, she was gushing. Very hot. ”
Kiss her – btw did you do kino, play with hands, etc.
Some… touched her lower back a lot. Moved her around (hands on her shoulders) when we walked. Played with her hair during dinner, quite a bit. Touched her a lot as we walked back from dinner.
There is a big disconnect for me with how warm she was at the end of that date, and her going completely quiet since then. Something about that doesn’t make sense.
My guess is that she told some friends that I am “more than 30” or “twice her age” and they talked her out of this. That’s my guess. I don’t think it was our date, nor my age, but my age + her friends… “stranger danger.”
I think I saw her on the street yesterday… I was with my wing and she was with some little friends… she didn’t make eye contact, and that might have been on purpose. I think it was.
I msg’d her a few minutes later saying “I saw you… wasn’t sure if you wanted to chat in front of your friends… happy Friday.” No response.
She was even less cute than I remembered… but I still would. I’ll try her again later this week… curious.
Cool. Lower back and shoulders are more of the asexual type (nothing wrong with it). Go for the open palms, legs, and hips.
No boobs or pussy until you’ve kissed :-) you dont want a random squirt letting you blind.
“There is a big disconnect for me with how warm she was at the end of that date, and her going completely quiet since then.”
Well, girls dont give a fuck about you. Giving a fuck takes them time. Her warmth means she’s open for something. Everything in a girl is a funnel. After date something changed (could be very well the age thing, but that is YOUR premade excuse, so you can be just bias-validating your pre-existing opinion) and she passed the switch.
My experience is that men long for girls 20 times more than girls do for guys. Girls live in too much abundance, since way too early, every day is a new rainbow of opportunity. They only long for the alpha cock they cannot get (when they get it, and secure it, also stop giving a fuck).
That’s the animal you’re dealing with. The less you care about them back the better. Which will incidentally make you fit in the uber alpha male role, who actually doesnt give a fuck because also lives in way too much abundance. So the fairy tale up there is “the man doesnt care” and “she tries to please him so he cares a little” but “will dump him when he complies”.
Our species are stupid if you think we’re doing this for happiness. But it’s not happiness, it’s about genes trying to match with the best possible fit, the higher quality stuff. The rest is laws of the market. High quality stuff is on demand. When you’re in demand you dont give a fuck. Everything flows from there.
So of course all these girls you chase / you’re below / they dont give a fuck.
Specially the ones you really like.
!
“The story: a plain jane is picked up by a dangerous alpha wolf, she’s unexperienced, she wants the cock, she says yes.”
does she:
1. want the cock THAT VERY NIGHT
or can it be that:
2. she is CURIOUS about the cock but also needs MORE TRUST before it can penetrate her pussy? more TRUST and more TIME.
i swear, yohami, didn’t you ever have to be patience with a girl for more than one night, more than one date??? or did every one of your 300 bangs happen the very night you met the girl.
that’s what i still don’t understand about you. it’s frustrating. you start off giving such great advice, and then you turn around and give such foolish, uncalibrated, parody alpha BAD advice.
but i shouldn’t get too frustrated. i know nash is smarter than this.
Riv,
“Does she want the cock THAT VERY NIGHT?”
Probably not.
“she is CURIOUS about the cock but also needs MORE TRUST before it can penetrate her pussy? more TRUST and more TIME.”
You were unable to define Trust when I asked, also unable to define Comfort. What she needs is to be more “turned on”. What Im calling being turned on, in this particular girl, happens (so far in the story) through rapport, intimacy and compliments, that’s what clicked, so she needs more of that. How much more? to be seen, as Nash didnt escalate and raised a wall instead.
Raising a wall is not “trust” or “comfort” unless that’s what the girl wants. If “what the girl wants” is a “wall” then raising a wall will be a turn on for her, and creating safety will turn her on.
You have failed to provide a definition for the concepts of “comfort” and “trust” that you find so precious – when you use them, though, you seem to be using them to signal “lack of danger” and “asexuality” and “Im a normal person”. My response to that is that these are not universal triggers for every girl, and every girl wants something slightly different, which means some dont want normal, some dont want safe, some dont want asexual – and this, pay attention:
A girl you picked up in the street sees you a potential alpha fuck, and she said yes.
Or: a man who approaches the girl is either an alpha fuck, or a beta, or a creep. She said yes. Which of the categories is she putting you in?
If she wanted a beta there are plenty in the world, and they dont approach her and take her to dates, they insist on being nice and offering “comfort and trust”.
No girl wants a creep unless she’s one, that’s another option.
Since you’re running game and trying to look high value and consistent, you’re trying to emulate alpha, she likely saw you as an alpha.
Alpha wants sex quickly, wants to escalate and knows how to turn on the girl.
She came to the date wanting you to escalate.
If she opens the doors for you to escalate, AKA no puzzle, just submission and compliance, and you dont – then you fail to deliver on the promise of your first interaction, and she changes your category to beta or creep.
All of this your doing for choosing a direct method of approach – you are giving yourself little rope.
This is like going with the “armageddon opener” hey do you want to have sex with me? and shen she goes out with you decide that you want to chill and talk serious subjects.
Girls experience this dissonance x10 and move on quicker that you can imagine, because you’re just a tool for her. A tool to get what she wants.
Seduction is the art of understanding what the girl wants, and the skill to give it to her, all while being congruent with yourself.
Or to make it simpler for yourself, Game is the art of acting like “the man” so every girl turns herself into a “yes girl”. Because “the man” is the base desire they all have.
Let me know if that makes sense.
“didn’t you ever have to be patience with a girl for more than one night”
Of course. I moved at the pace of the girl. But the pace of the girl can be vary freaking fast when you let HER pull the brakes, and you have your feet on the accelerator, pressing accelerator in what works and not falling in traps.
“did every one of your 300 bangs happen the very night you met the girl”
Probably half of them
“that’s what i still don’t understand about you.”
Improve your comprehension skills and it will all make sense.
“you start off giving such great advice, and then you turn around and give such foolish, uncalibrated, parody alpha BAD advice”
I have no idea what’s in your mind but you’ve been obviously not reading what I write, I suspect you’re knee jerking to certain words and triggers, and to the meaning they have in YOUR model, instead of understanding what I keep presenting. Im describing something that has more nuance than a tree step process, cant be described as “attraction and comfort”, for whatever reason you’re interpreting this as:
PUSH THE GIRL INTO SEX
or
MAKE THE WHORE SAY NO
Which ironically you loved and I always found stupid.
So how about this, instead of knee jerk reaction, can you read what I wrote above, and point at what you find wrong, and explain why?
Cheers.
“I think she’s gone. No response to msgs.”
Yeah, they are quite trigger happy with that NEXT button.
Hey maybe she just needed a lot of more trust, comfort and time – and look there’s plenty of time ahead, maybe you can give her some more.
>> My reading of this story is, again, that this girl is gone, unless you un-tussle it.
I think she’s gone. No response to msgs.
I would bet $2 that she is gone because I am too old (very possibly a limiting belief on my part). I am 24 years older than her… that doesn’t mean I can’t have girls that age, but I should expect some “friction” due to that extreme age difference. That’s not a weird thing to think.
But yeah, maybe I’d throw down another $1 that she disappeared because I didn’t take her home. I should have tried. I did try with the married girl, and it wasn’t right for her… but maybe I should have tried here too.
Riv… I am with you that many girls won’t have sex for 2-3 dates, and that that is normal and cool. I’m even cool with that (…but I am learning that I don’t have to wait if I don’t want to). I don’t think I can/should fuck every girl on the first date. Agreed.
However… I do believe we lose a lot of girls by going to slow. It’s not just that they “don’t get what they want.” It’s also that we were so “hot” on the approach, that to go “cool” on the date, is going to be disappointing. I think daygame has a lot of fast sex potential… as it’s a hot approach.
And lastly… I am very into the “good girl” conversation. And one of the ways I am thinking about this, is that when we go slow, we send her a signal that we think SHE is a good girl… we put her in that box. What if that’s not who she is? That’s a lack of calibration on our part. That is bad game. What if she is that girl… but she was hoping she could be something else on the night she’s out with us? More disappointment. Missed opportunity.. for both her and me.
I know a lot of why I don’t move faster, is that I’m not “ready” or comfortable enough with that level of game… it’s not actually about the girl. Yohami can spot this in me every time. This story is a good example. She may not have been interested in me… but a lot of this story was me holding back, because she was 19 and that was a different kind of intimidating for me… not her.
I want to be very careful I don’t take a story that is about me, and my limitations, and make it about her and some Madonna/whore scenario. Men do this all the time… maybe most of the time.
There is no such thing as a “good girl.” I say that with tremendous love and interest for women. I don’t want to put them in a box that isn’t theirs to sit it. That’s not “seeing clearly.”
“I am too old (very possibly a limiting belief on my part). ”
Yes that’s you disqualifying yourself, let her be the one in charge of disqualifying you, so you can put your focus on why age doesnt matter – which is what she wants or she wouldnt be there.
“I should expect some “friction””
You create what you expect.
There WILL be friction or rejection with girls for whatever reasons, meaning you’re not what every girl wants (nobody is), so there will be a segment of them with reasons not to want you. When you like a girl and go talk to her though, your expectation should be that flirting, arousing, fucking her is the most normal thing in the world.
If you dont, then you induce the friction (tussle) yourself. Girls are not likely to jump over that barrier, and more likely to feel grossed / unwell / weird about it.
Yeah. Thanks, Yohami.
I have some cleaning up to do.
nash,
read tom’s book, his first one. for a bunch of his lays it took him 2-3 dates. it’s normal. don’t start believing that every girl is going to be licking your balls the first night, just because yohami says so.
yohami,
don’t read tom’s first book, since you won’t believe it anyway.
I did read Tom’s first book. It’s great. Really inspiring. His 2nd one is also, for the same reasons. Love those books.
And I totally think 2-3 dates is fair, fine and normal. I like it actually. Takes me a minute to connect with a girl… sometimes.
And at the same time… one thing I learned from Lance Mason is this concept of “giving the girl an experience.” That can definitely be done in the 2-3 dates model. Totally. But running fast sex is an experience… and it’s not the same as what a 2-3 date guy might do. It’s an option.
As for me… I know I am barely comfortable with that idea. Which means I will miss experiences with girls where 2-3 dates are not possible (girls that travel, etc). And I will fail to deliver that “rare experience” to girls that might appreciate such an adventure.
If I don’t run fast-sex, I will never have experience with it, I won’t know my own boundaries there (I’ll only be able to guess) and it won’t be a practical option for me.
I am very open to the things Yohami is trying to teach me, as this is an area out of my comfort zone — and “edge,” as the hippies say — and I want to explore it. The “race car” from NYC was a great experience… I didn’t fuck her, but that was the setting. I’m very glad I pushed myself into that. It was hard. I learned.
Girls like her interesting too… (and you should see that girl, Riv… I’ll send you a pic next time we talk).
Cheers to having lots of options… more girls… and more styles of seduction. Yes to all of it.
*bow*
“don’t start believing that every girl is going to be licking your balls the first night, just because yohami says so”
You’re being obtuse.
I don’t think there is a formula in regards to number of dates and sex and going for the kiss. One has to be in tune to what is in front of you.
Re kissing it is great to be bold and try for it but it is better to let it happen organically in that one should be able to read the subtleties and let it happen naturally. There is nothing better than when a girl just lunges forward and kisses you or when it is 50/50 move in together – after it has been building. Just lunging forward and kissing a girl for the sake of it doesn’t have the same feeling – like you are stealing it.
A ‘virgin’ might have been a girl with only a couple of experiences – girls round down the number – one or two might be zero in her mind compared to a forty year old man. Plus you never take what they said more what they are doing.
>> One has to be in tune to what is in front of you.
Yes. I hear you. I’ve been experimenting with pushing my own edge here… but in general, I agree with you.
Thanks, man.