Pancake, Thai Girls, Flakes || 10 More
It was supposed to be a date night, and I’m way behind on work, so I was going to cool it today. But last night Pancake commented on one of my posts referencing going out today, and I decided that if I heard from him I’d go out… And we did. Girls were hit on. It was cool.
Quick shout to the Pancake — nice work today, man. When I left you were 12+ approaches deep. Solid. There is a good vibe rolling with you. It was a pleasure.
The backdrop of the day was the date with Thai Girl (OG Thai Girl… not the new one). I think we’ve been out 4 times… The last time was about 9 days ago, and she was getting sick, so quick dinner, that was it. I pinged her yesterday and she told me she was very sick, skipped school all week… So I checked today, and she wanted to put off the date. Walls of text, saying she missed me. I believe her.
NASH: How you feeling this morning??
THAI GIRL: I took cold medicine It make me sleep all day ?
THAI GIRL: I have no vice at all ??
THAI GIRL: so Can I meet you on Next week any time I think we will have more fun ?
THAI GIRL: so sorry
THAI GIRL: miss you but so sick have 0 energy Can not even talk very sore thro
THAI GIRL: at !!! ??
She likes me… but I still have not had sex with her. Grrrrr. Some of this is logistics. Some of this me. I read Roy Walker… and he is getting laid. I have work to do.
And that’s two canceled dates with Thai girls alone this week. New Thai girl canceled Tues. This one canceled for tonight. (And Firecracker canceled for Monday, as she was on her period… but that is rescheduled for tomorrow.)
That’s a lot of let-down for a daygamer to process — fucking with my vibe a little. But to be honest… only a little. As I type this, I think a week of holidays will fuck the girl tornado further still, but I am feeling rather confident with the potential of game right now.
If this tornado settles down… I will inspire a new one. I am increasingly secure in that idea.
“Girl tornadoes are not born… they are made.”
Daygame = opportunities on demand.
10 more today. Some good sets. It was fun. Part of that was Pancake’s momentum and good attitude. Part of it was being up close and personal with young, attractive girls. Part of that is that I love to hunt.
And the 3rd Thai girl in this story was one from today’s hunting. Well, I assumed she was Thai and I was right — I am getting some southeast Asian experience to add to what I know of “The Big Three” (Japan, Korea and China). She was little, with cute style and shiny black hair. Maybe 28?
She stopped easily, but stared without speaking for a time, and I asked her if she understood me. She smiled, showing some comfort and experience, and said “yes,” but with a look in her eyes that told me she was trying to decide if I was crazy.
But things flowed well from there. She is here visiting for a month in the US, been all over the country, and it was her last night it this city. Ummm, #adventuresex potential.
She was confident and knowing. A strong girl. We chat for a bit, and I try to close for a same-night drink. And she stared at me, slow and edgy (I like this girl, I thought…), and she says “are you serious?” Yes, I say. Solid as fuck. She rejects the idea, and I roll through, tried again, ” No. We talk here and that’s it,” she said, with a big smile, very matter of fact. Solid as fuck. Touche.
Ha… She was great. She had dinner plans with a friend (not a BF, I asked), so I vibed a bit longer and I ejected. Fun approach.
But the set of the day was actually one of Pancakes sets, because it encapsulated why daygame is not, in fact, all about “the grind.”
She was a young blonde girl. He spotted her body, but hadn’t seen her face. As she was stuck at an intersection, I stepped out to take a look at her face and gave Pancake the thumbs up – she was cute by my standards. He approached… She super hooked.
I don’t remember all the details — and perhaps Pancake will add his thoughts in the comments — but he told me that she started laughing immediately. That she was fun. And athletic.
“It was one of those approaches that makes you feel like you’re walking on air.”
— Paraphrase of Pancake’s comment after that set
Oh… I know what you mean. It’s been very good to be out lately. I’m loving it.
Here are the rest of the sets:
1. Tall, skinny, Chinese, beautiful…wasn’t having it. Okay. Later, Beautiful.
2. Indian girl, renting a bike. Pancake didn’t like her, guessed her as fobby… I approached. Up close she was neither cute nor fun… at least it was over quickly.
3. Short, Asian girl, great ass… saw her ring as I opened, asked if she was married… she did a quick disgust face, then a big smile, I told her I was going to let her go and I walked off.
4. Tall, beautiful, Chinese girl… stopped, cute, not really a solid hook… took her number but it was a weak close. Msg’d her. No response.
5. Tall, big butt, maybe 30? I liked her more and more as I approached, she turned me on. She stooped, was a touch suspicious, circled around me but was still looking at me, and then she blushed, and I could see her considering me, then I could see her write me off, I asked her to stop, she was leaving, I called her out for blushing and she was gone. Poof!
6. Chinese girl w/ a roller bag. Nervous, said she had to go, I let her be.
7. My confident Thai girl from the story above… I liked her.
8. Short, cute, dark hair, all black clothes… Pancake wasn’t interested so I went after her. She popped open and I could tell she liked the stop. She is originally from Afghanistan. As we started to chat, she was all one-word answers. Almost comically so. It was not charming… so I thanked her and split. Some girls have no game.
9. Asian girl, glasses, very kissable lips. I told her there was something interesting about her, and she said “what?,” and I said I didn’t know… And it was pretty on. She was one of those girls that stands just inches away from you — I love those girls. She blushed, I told she was blushing, then I blushed. She lives in nearby city, which is not ideal… and she was in a hurry so we walked together and the magic fizzled for me, I felt lazy suddenly, so I said goodbye and split. She looked a bit confused, and I don’t blame her… But I know these girls will go stale before I’m back from the holiday and can work them into the rotation, and this one wasn’t worth the chase.
10. Odd looking but attractive little Asian girl. Got right in front of her, she looked right through me… she kept going. Bye, Odd/Pretty One.
And so I begin a 10-day break from daygame. I’ll miss it… today was a lot of fun.
Thanks again to Pancake… great to be out hunting with you.
Stats from the day: https://puu.sh/spKSe/f9bd33ac73.png
14 approaches. 3 numbers. Not a single one of them replied to my text (again). Very disappointing. Not sure if I’m pushing too hard for the number, but even the last girl who was completely receptive and interesting — no reply.
Could be calibration.
Could be my vibe.
Could be the fact that I’m going after high-quality girls (7s and above, a few 9s each time)
But so far, the return-on-time investment on daygame has not been impressive, considering I still do pretty well on Tinder.
Texted with Nash about building a toolkit. That’s what I think these sessions are: training. So that when I get better I can focus on doing these approaches in my day-to-day and not having to carve time out of my afternoon.
When I was sucking last summer, some dude was coaching me to cross-train. And that is great advice. Anything you learn from daygame, you can port to online, bring any new confidence with you.
And meanwhile.. daygame is on-demand. You can be face to face, anytime you want. And that is special to daygame.
My game is not “100” yet, but I am increasingly confident I can go out and find a date for that night. I think that is almost within my reach. Other guys can definitely do it.
Another comment, Pancake…
I am not at all certain about this, but let’s think about the way you stop. You are much more dominant than me… and I think that is a good thing. The way you shift in front of them if they start to squirm around you. I don’t get as properly in front as you do (on average) and I never “crab walk” side to side if they try to slide around.
So I really don’t know if that is helping/hurting you? Or if it is/isn’t with this girl or that (segmentation). Your natural dominance and confidence definitely is a strength.
Ahh… I think it’s way too soon to micro analyze your street game. You’re starting with a lot of things going for you. You’re very good already. But I think you need 200 approaches. And from that, maybe aim for 4 new lays. Something like that.
And then… look to see if approaches 150-200 are qualitatively different than 1-50. Of course they will be, especially if you do ~100/month. Give yourself time to make this “normal” for you, learn a bit, and then look at those last 50 approaches and see if this feels like it will yield for you.
One of the mistakes critics of daygame make, is that “the first 1000 approaches” don’t yield much, and assuming that ratio goes on forever. Low ROI early in training is normal for the early part of the learning curve for anything. And those critics would say, “You finally got laid, and now you’re going to talk to another 1000 to get laid again?” And they are missing the point of a learning curve… no… it’s not 1 lay per 1k approaches. The first levels of experience looks nothing like the next levels.
My own progress this Fall is proof of that… at least for me. But I already knew this from other disciplines in my life.
It won’t take you 1000. You are already further along than that. I bet you dinner you get laid in under 100. And I think it’s probably safe you’ll get laid by 50-75. That’s my guess.
Crank it up in the first 2 weeks of Dec… see how it goes.
Listening to Krauser on OVERKILL… he’s saying he gets laid 1 in 30 approaches. I don’t think that should be your benchmark, but that is another point of reference.