“Daygame” by TDDAYGAME | Book Review
There is a guy that calls himself TDDAYGAME. I know him from Twitter, where he is one of my favorite voices on that platform, dumping tons of high quality advice into the Tribe of Men. He contacted me a month back about his new book — which he is calling “DAYGAME: Pick Up Girls Everywhere.”
He sent me a copy. In this post, I review the book in my usual style… some context about the man, an overview of his book, what I liked about it… and areas where I would challenge him on certain points.
It wasn’t my original intention, but… this review has become as much about TD as it is about his book.
Here we go.
I have never met TD, but I have seen some of his game philosophy via his online presence. After studying game for 10+ years, I am a very critical bastard about some of the ideas out there. But despite my contrarian nature… I like this guy.
I see TD’s POV on game as smart, real, and very much on-target for guys trying to learn to be better with women (in pickup and relationships).
Here is an example:
When in relationship, have a lot of sex.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) September 26, 2018
See? The dude is brilliant.
More seriously:
You can’t get a girlfriend because you’re trying to develop a relationship right away while you should be enjoying sex and time spent together.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) August 27, 2018
So true. Meet women. Screen for ones you enjoy. Then… actually enjoy them. When that goes on for a while… congratulations, you’ve found a relationship. The order there is important. And TD is one of the few men to spell this kind of thing out.
Want to see him be a little harsh?
You’re not “trying to game that girl” if it’s going on for years.
You blew it in the beginning and now you’re just lying to yourself.
There are plenty of other girls around.
Leave her alone.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) July 30, 2018
Also well done.
Simple, clean, experienced advice. That’s what I have come to expect from TD.
Here is how he describes himself:
“I go by the nickname of tddaygame and I was the only true London Daygame Model Coach in Warsaw, explaining and showing to the eager guys how you can approach any girl walking down the streets of your city.”
— From the “Daygame” book sales page
I knew of him before I got involved with Twitter… in part as my friend Alpha Rivelino did a great interview with him in 2017. I read it again this week. Some of the aspects of TD’s personality that allow me to trust him really come through in that interview with Riv.
That “trust” is a big deal for me.
A lot of what TD has to say sounds “real” to me. I place a high-premium on realness. And on actual experience.
TD is all that. And the things he says match what I know from my time on the streets. And he’s not trying to “alpha-up” to impress you (which is quite refreshing). Beyond his vibe, his value comes through in the quality of his comments. You can tell the guy has actually talked to girls. And that kind of POV is valuable to a man studying game.
80% of game is getting enough reference experiences so that you can be confident in your abilities and also that you can read most of the cues. https://t.co/NkRta4yQVL
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) November 29, 2018
Another ^ excellent Tweet from TD.
He is responding to a question from a beginner there. And that… is a very solid answer. I too, am completely sold on reference experiences. And you’ll notice this isn’t your typical “I give zero fucks and the girls chase me” garbage. TD is more interesting than that.
He is a cool guy. That is where I got started with him… and that… was why I was interested in what he had to say about daygame.
Let’s get into his book.
“Picking up girls during the day should not be some great feat. Your father did it, as well as your grandfather. They did not have Tinder, Instagram and surely, the club culture was not as it is today. They just had the balls to go over and talk to any beautiful girl they happened to fancy.”
— TDDAYGAME
That is a good place to start.
Here TD is giving you some context for why daygame is very relevant today… and that is (in part)… because it’s always been relevant.
TD was “brought up” in the early days of the London Daygame Model… and had some exposure to the techniques established by the crew that coalesced around Daygame.com, including Krauser, Sneaky Tom, Sasha, John Matrix, Yad, and the business guy behind those players, Andy Yosha.
Based on his references to training other guys, it’s not hard to see TD has done a lot of coaching. You might notice that as you read his book… the concepts he points out are (in fact) the kinds of things guys get hung up on as they try to figure out the game.
And now we’re into the meat of why you might be interested in his book: TD knows daygame. And perhaps more important, he has taught it. Seems to me, he has a lot of experience in that domain. And his book captures a lot of what he thinks a guy should know about how to move down the path of becoming a daygamer.
OVERVIEW.
The book is a fairly quick read… 130+ pages. No illustrations. No examples of dialog with girls. No pictures. What you’ll get is TD’s framework for setting a man on the daygame path.
“I tried very hard to include everything that you need to daygame entirely on your own. That should be your ultimate goal. Not relying on wings, coaches or canned lines. Just you and the girls.”
The book flows like this: He starts off with some unique comments that are particular to his vision of what is important in daygame. Then, he does his overview of the London Daygame Model. Then, the book gets more interesting for me, as we wraps things up with his “Daygame Mantras” and then his “Troubleshooting” section.
The book is totally appropriate for a beginner.
If you can’t approach a girl directly, start with hit-and-runs.
“Hi, can I say to you something really quickly? I just saw you and I couldn’t help myself but to notice that you look really nice. I’d love to stay and chat but I have to go, bye!”
No chance for her to reject you.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) September 24, 2018
Here ^ he is advising new guys to try what I would call a “compliment mission.”
The example here is done in the classic Daygame.com “script,” complete with “you look nice.” I don’t like “you like nice” (that is a weird thing to say to a girl… too “English” for me). But sending new guys off to do hit-and-run compliment missions is a great way to get a guy started.
Reading this book will give you a solid overview of the structure and the opportunity for street seduction. And on top of that, you’d have the notes of the man that has a lot experience both as a daygamer and an instructor.
Some of the value for me in reading TD’s book, was having a view into his head… to see how a man I respect has approached daygame. And his approach will likely be different than yours. That might give you an opportunity to use TD as a point of comparison… or even a “checklist,” where you can see if you have considered or tried the fundamentals TD prefers.
If you’re learning… or even if you want to “cross examine” your assumptions about daygame… TD can deliver that level of insight.
While I’m making general notes here… I’ll add here the book is rough around the edges. English isn’t TD’s first language. And the book could use some proof-reading (I sent him some notes after I read it).
If you’re working on your game, you could definitely benefit from TD’s book. I did.
VALUE.
This is not the core of TD’s book… it is a very small slice of the content, but I like that he takes the time to include comments like this one:
“It is much easier to have both serious relationships and casual sex if you are high value. So let us make you a high value man, starting from the very beginning, which is the first impression.”
He puts a lot of emphasis on the first impression. He has some fresh and interesting thinking there… about how you present your value in set. That content came early in his book, and that was where I started to take notes.
TD approaches value in different ways, across his teaching. Here is another example of how he thinks:
USING “INDIFFERENCE” AS A STRATEGY:
“If you’re indifferent and she’s not yet attracted, SHE SIMPLY WON’T CARE. It’s like screaming “I don’t want to work here anyway!” at the entrance to the company that didn’t hire you.”
— @tddaygameFrom his ^ newsletter.
— Nash (@DaysOfGame_com) September 26, 2018
In quotes like the one above, TD calmly sweeps aside some of the over-played tropes (“just be, uh, ‘indifferent,’ bruh”) in game. He uses the word “attracted” in that quote, but I would argue he is still pointing at value. Underneath everything that works… is actual value.
And the comments in his book on how you present yourself (specifically, in what order you begin to construct an image in the girl’s mind as you run your set) are very well done.
Here is another line from his book that caught my eye:
“She cannot follow you when you yourself do not know where you are going. And she will never think of you as a captain of your ship when you cannot even choose a drink.”
He is not expliciting saying “value” here, but he is once again setting up a view of how a man with value operates. Do you know where you’re going? Are you the captain of your ship?
“Do you want to be great at picking up girls during the day? First, sort out your life.”
This kind of comment is proof to me that TD has a level of maturity (both as a seducer and a coach) that makes him credible. That is very much like the kind of advice he gives on Twitter, head-shoulders above generic bluster like “make her chase, bruh.”
There is nuance here, and context… he knows what he is talking about. And TD is wise to reestablish the concept of “value” as the underlying foundation of all proper seducers.
TRUST.
Part of why I trust TD is he is not selling “hacks” to make you better with women.
“There are no best daygame openers.”
That’s right. If you’ve run a few hundred sets… you likely have your favorite lines… but you know this is true.
It’s not “the line.” Some of the best approaches of my life were when I had my vibe dialed in and all I did was smile. That’s it… no words until she was already hooked.
TD has a lot to teach you in his book. And he definitely talks about “what to say.”
But if you want to get good with girls… get serious, and move past that phase in your game when you’re overly focused on the opening line. A “gift of gab” can help, but lines are not what will make you successful. In fact, it is a milestone in a daygamers journey when he realizes that when you have enough value/attraction… “hi” is a great opener (I use it all the time).
He is not selling you “tricks.” There are no hacks in game.
STRENGTHS.
The book has a lot of strong sections.
I already mentioned I liked his comments on “First Impressions.” As he gets deeper in his coverage of the London Daygame Model (LDM), he has “field tested” things to say about Vibing and Stacking that are very practical. If you know the basic stages of the LDM (and he covers those as well), he can fill in more details to help you understand how those stages work.
He really digs deep on his “Hooks Theory” section.
“My bet is that you gave her only one hook and she did not bite it. When you are using more words and projecting many vivid ideas then you also have more chances for a good reaction.”
There ^ is a sample. His advice is clear and easy to understand.
To say more about the strengths of this book, I’m going to give some specific examples that resonated for me… topics that are interesting for a man with my level of experience, and how TD got me thinking on those topics.
TRAVEL.
It is part of the culture of modern daygame that many of our heroes have taken their game to foreign countries. Krauser… roaming around Eastern Europe. A lesser-known guy like Seven Daygame running game in Russia. Mr White just did quick trip to Japan (not his favorite spot!). I just did three+ weeks of daygame in Shanghai. You don’t need to travel to make daygame work, but our scene has a lot of emphasis on “jaunts”… which is almost a bad thing, in my view.
While the travel stories are exciting, I think they tend to confuse and distract beginners (and intermediates for that matter). TD provides some sober comments on “jaunting:”
“Let us start with what everyone is thinking, ‘Being a foreign guy gets you laid much easier!’ In one word? Nope. You have to deal with a sex-tourist label, language barrier, nationalist ideologies (yes, there are girls who just will never sleep with a guy from other country) and lack of time.”
I fully endorse this, as it matches my experience exactly. I wrote a detailed post about my first days on my Shanghai daygame trip, giving examples of some of the pain-points of trying to run game in a foreign country.
“Contrary to popular belief, panties are not dropping left and right when you pull out your… passport.”
It’s true. There are reasons why guys sometimes find more success when they are travelling… but “Pussy Paradise” is a myth. And I like that TD includes this stuff in his book.
“Weekend trips for daygame are pointless unless you already have solid leads or girlfriends.”
“Do not fool yourself that you will get better results in a foreign place than you are getting at home. At the very best they will be on par, probably a tad worse.”
Totally solid advice.
The point here is not to shit on your dreams of “banging hot models in Latvia” (or whatever). The point is that you will do most of your seduction where you live. Getting good at daygame takes time and effort… and expecting to get that done on short trips here/there is naïve.
TD is setting you up for success by getting you to hone your craft in your city, and then, when you’re solid… yeah, take your show on the road and test yourself in foreign climes. I like gaming in foreign places… it’s fun… the girls I like are easier to find in other countries… but it is… more challenging.
It’ll be harder… in many ways. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. But learn to walk before you try to run.
Good advice.
STATS.
Guys might ask, “How many girls do I need to approach to get laid?” Very common question. Of course it depends on my factors, but TD will give you an answer:
“To put it in real numbers: you need from about 170 approaches per lay (worst-case scenario, total beginner) to a stunning and unsustainable 25 approaches per lay.”
“I have never heard of anyone having that sort of results in the long term. You can get there on a 2-week long trip or in the spring months. That will never be the average of a whole year.”
Solid. Totally agree.
(BTW: I was talking with YoungGuns and TechCrunch about this today… and YoungGuns was quick to point out that 170/lay is an average (for some guys), across hundreds of sets. Don’t assume you’ll get laid in your first 170. Maybe TD can get you laid that quickly… but probably not.)
I often say I have some of the worst (and most honest) numbers in our scene. I don’t count approaches when I am in my city any more, but in Japan… I am close to 1:150.
TD calls that “total beginner,” and I am not that. But I count every approach I do (including blowouts), I approach a lot of girls that are 20+ years younger than me and almost always from a different culture than mine. There are months when I am closer to 1:50, but also times when I’ve gone 200 approaches and couldn’t take a lay (like during my Summer Famine this year).
I like TD’s numbers here. I think he is giving you a realistic set of expectations.
I never said that the numbers don’t change with higher SMV.
I’m saying the numbers remain relatively small, regardless of the SMV.
One guy is at 3%, the other is twice as good at 6%.
It’s always 90+% failures.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) August 24, 2018
Solid. Realistic. I like it.
ROMANTIC RED PILL:
My comments here aren’t actually from the book, but I like these notes as yet another view into TD as a man and his philosophy of game:
Sleep with a hundred girls to fall in love with one. Have some awesome time and make it worth it, even if it ends in a disaster.
Facefuck her, cum in her ass then cuddle, go to sleep and make her a breakfast.
Cheers to everyone out there in the “Romantic Red Pill” community.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) November 6, 2018
This kicks ass. I love it.
Riv, TD, Pat Stedman, myself and many others have been kicking around this “flavor” of game. The concept of “romantic red pill” isn’t well defined, but I like the spirit on display in that tweet.
TD is one of many men that can show you how you can be “pilled,” you can be “awake,” you can have control in your sex life, agency with women… and yet really love women at the same time.
You can be wise and opened-eyed.. but still put yourself out there. Risk something… to get something. TD can see a positive side to this lifestyle, beyond pure consumption, and I like that very much.
There are no sane girls.
You just have to pick the level of insanity you want to deal with.
Once she’s past the threshold – next her.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) August 27, 2018
This ^ is not “candy-coated” Disney bullshit.
This is knowing how the sexual marketplace works. Knowing that lovely, little girls can be snakes… snakes with fangs. That they can be charmed… but they can also bite when you least expect it. They can… spit poison. But that is not the whole of the truth.
Men of Game can get educated. Then… we can step into the space with these little girls… and control our destinies. We can have amazing experiences. We can “cum in her ass” (if that’s what you’re into). And we can do so with an open heart.
If you think all girls are trash, you’re hanging around wrong girls.
If you think all girls think men are trash, you’re still hanging around wrong girls.
— tddaygame (@tddaygame) August 30, 2018
You’ll find some treacherous girls – for certain. And you’ll get shit tested. And girls will branch swing (often into your arms, if your game is any good). And they’ll sometimes fuck you and then… disappear without a trace.
It’s all true.
But for Men of Game… there are truly beautiful experiences out there too. If I was to pick a coach…and he couldn’t see the beauty and the romance… I would know he was too jaded to be my sensei.
WEAKNESSES.
I will always include weakness in any review I do of a book. I am into trust. And I want you to trust me… so I try to tell the whole truth.
So here are some weaknesses in TD’s book, as I see them:
I already talked about the “rough around the edges” grammar and punctuations items. Expect that.
Let’s do deeper:
“However, you need to say the exact same words every single time so you will not miss the buffer sentence explaining the situation and you will not stutter.”
This is obviously for beginners. But I still don’t like it.
I trust TD’s experience as a coach. I have coached a few guys, but I don’t claim even a fraction of his experience. Maybe in some cases this is good advice, but I have never approached game like this.
I could compare this to Krauser’s typical “three-part structure” (EX: you seem like a smart girl… it’s your glasses, the books under your arm… and your very ‘sensible’ shoes). Krauser could explain his game much better than I could, but that “three parts” is based on an initial assumption, and is filled in with three observations. If that sounds a little bit hard, and complicated, I would agree. I don’t do that style much either… but I like it much better than “same the exact same words.”
Again… TD is talking to us as a group. That advice is for a certain guy, at a certain stage of this game… but I will argue with him there.
“In the beginning of your daygame adventures, you will be tempted to ask questions instead of making assumptions. Never do this.”
“Asking questions is demanding for an answer, which in turn is taking value. That is why I will tell you about thousand times that you should use statements, not questions.”
“Never?” Again, he is training guys that have bad habits. But…
I use a TON of questions. I did a post where I give some advice about what to say to girls and it is largely based on questions (about logistics).
I get his basic point. Don’t pepper the girl with endless questions. Yes, “assumptions” (which TD reviews in detail in this book) are a great way to stimulate conversation. I use assumptions, too. But I also include many questions.
As long as you have balance, questions are fine. Accuse her of something, make some assumptions, let her respond, ask a question, share a story about yourself, etc. Questions are normal. Don’t take that advice too literally.
The last point of criticism I’ll touch on this:
TD does give us some examples, but they are all impersonal. He shares almost nothing about himself in this book, nothing about the girls he has dated, nothing specific about his interactions with girls.
He is not alone in this kind of didactic, impersonal teaching… but I don’t like it. TD (I am more than convinced) is real, his experience is real, I bet he is solid on the street. But, in theory, it’s possible a newbie could construct a book like this… by copying smart things other guys have said.
I am much more interested in personal stories. I want to hear the specific details of men’s lives. This is part of why I am such a huge fan of Krauser. He has A+ notes on tactics and basic strategies… but so much at the personal level.
My advice for TD would be to do a second project that is more personal, that tells his story, that shares his experience. Maybe not a basic memoir (although… I would read it), but a memoir combined with lessons. That would be a more interesting read… and possibly even more instructional.
I think men are hungry for more than “how to” material. I bet TD has some killer stories (ups… and downs). I’d love to hear them.
Okay. There you have it.
It’s a little raw (and I hope TD cleans it up a little), but there is a lot of wisdom and detail in his book. As students of daygame, we are lucky to have a look at how TD sees this grand pastime. He has made a real contribution to our scene with this piece of writing.
As I wrap this up, I’ll emphasize again… the sections on “Mantras” and “Troubleshooting” had some of the best moments for me. In those sections, he can cuts through the “generic” daygame advice, and shows you what he thinks is important. If you’re intermediate to advanced, those notes will likely include some of the most inspiring and educational parts of the book.
And because I like personal examples, I end this review with a comment that inspired me:
“Can you really say you do not have approach anxiety if you have no problems with approaching only a specific type of girls or when you found yourself a small niche where your thing works? You can backward rationalize it all you want but if you repeatedly see a girl that gives you a boner and do not go after her – you are lying to yourself.”
Hmmm. When I first read this part of his book, I was telling myself that I don’t really have AA anymore (I don’t). But the more I think about it… he has got me here.
I do, in fact, see girls that might “give me a boner” and fail to approach. I want to say that is not really AA. I want to call that a “weasel,” but TD is right.
I have been out several times lately, running game, and “passed” on a girl that I would have liked to talk to… because she “looked bitchy,” or whatever. And if I say I don’t have any AA at all… TD is right, I am lying to myself.
This is just one of many ideas I took from TD’s book that have already had an influence on my game. How I can see his wisdom when I am out, on the street, talking to girls.
TD is one of us. He has real experience. And because of that experience… his comments are meaningful.
And not only do I like a lot of what he put into his book… but I bet 1$ he is a very good coach.
TDDAYGAME. Here is his website. Here is a link to his book. Here is a link to his Twitter. Check him out.
“Go out for a walk with the intent of talking to a few girls.”
Yeah. That’s what we do. And TD’s book will give you a lot to consider as you continue on this path.
Viva daygame.
Great writeup. You’re a gifted writer, Nash.
I can feel the honesty just dripping through every word. You write from the heart, and I like it very much.
It really created TRUST.
I just got this book, I will enjoy reading it. TDDaygame seems like a solid guy.
About the daygame stats, I really liked that this daygame coach, more realistically, argues that for beginners, the stats would be more like: 1 lay in 300.
So your 1 in 150 is totally within the intermediate range.
That guy’s POV that “you do improve,” is correct. And yet, the “poker” analogy still applies. It is a game of skill/value… but also of “catching the right cards.” You can keep your numbers very tight, by only approaching IOIs (sort of like waiting for a perfect hand)… but you’ll play less hands that way. So while your skill matters… the way the cards fall have a huge impact on the game that is out of your control.
Poker is a near perfect metaphor for our “game.” Part skill and part “luck,” and always will be. This is why very talented guys can still get “skunked.”
This is The DAYGAME GODS in action. They have the final say.
I was thinking about the stats discussion.
I think with girls 15+ years younger than me, which are the girls I like and are my favorite. Those introverted young girls who are artistic and tend to be K-selected, I get 1 in 200.
For girls who are less than 10 years younger than me, those girls who are 25 years plus, I probably get 1 in 50.
I think our stats can be that high because we aim for the girls we really like, and those are much younger than us.
Shady Tom, for example, bangs a lot of girls over 30. Single moms and such. Of course then his stats will look stellar.
Even Krauser, in his paid product the Womanizer’s Bible talked about how girls less than 21 are hard to get because they tend to have boyfriends and not yet feel the “call for adventure”. But around 21, they tend to become single and want to try new things.
So if you and me too tend to gravitate towards virgins and sexually inexperienced girls, those tend to be less than 21 years old, and not yet felt a need to experience the excitement we offer.
I like where you’re going with this. You’re “segmenting.” What “segment” are you. What “segment” do the girls you like belong to. How much “friction” (credit Mark Manson) is there as you try to seduce across segments.
That kind of math isn’t perfect… but it’s an interesting way to look at it.
It’s Sneaky Tom! Ha. But Shady works, though.
Also agree here.. somewhat.
But in your experience… if you have two “girls that are interested.” One… is 24, and she likes what you’re about . And the 2nd… is 34, and she also likes what you’re offering. Do you really think the 34 yr old is easier to close?
I don’t think so. The easier one to close would likely be based on other factors.
DEMOGRAPHIC-BASED EVALUATION (geo, age, etc) are much less powerful than PSYCHOGRAPHIC-BASED evaluations. Marketers know this.
All other aspects equal: An “open” 24 yr old will be easier to seduce than a “closed/careful” 34 yr old.
Psychology > demography… every time.
If she has a thing for “older men,” the combination of her and I could be absurd… and still work. The 19 yr olds in Shanghai on my trip… very odd pairings. Except for the fact that those girls like older men, and I like younger girls.
Psychology > demos.
Out of interest what’s the source for “lots of girls over 30”?
“Out of interest what’s the source for ‘lots of girls over 30’?” — TC
Yeah, good question TC. I am also curious, where did you hear that, BV?
And thanks for this, man. I appreciate it. And glad to have you here commenting.
“Great writeup. You’re a gifted writer, Nash. I can feel the honesty just dripping through every word. You write from the heart, and I like it very much. It really created TRUST.” -BV
I agree completely. Nash is an amazing writer. And BV, those lines are pretty well written too!
Good stuff.
“Let us start with what everyone is thinking, ‘Being a foreign guy gets you laid much easier!’ In one word? Nope. You have to deal with a sex-tourist label, language barrier, nationalist ideologies (yes, there are girls who just will never sleep with a guy from other country) and lack of time.”
I agree this is the case for Daygaming. Daygaming is such a crap shoot with regards to who you end up approaching: girls with boyfriends, busy with work, prudish, scaredy cats, or otherwise not available sexually.
This is one reason I like daygaming. With Tinder, a clearly sexual bio, and some luck, the difference in getting laid from home/on-travel is like night and day.
In my last trip (Thailand) I decided to totally forget about daygaming, and stick with Tinder to save my time approaching unavailable girls. In 1 day, I had 3 dozen matches (although I bet most were prostitutes), immediately had two dates with very conservative women that went nowhere. On my 3rd DAY, I rocked it with a solid, inexperienced HB9 who became my Thai lover for the rest of the trip (and hopefully future ones). DAY 3.
This beats my home, where, in the last 3 WEEKS, I’ve had 5 matches, 0 dates even, and my only real lead is some girl that lives 2 hours away but visits my city occasionally. The difference is so stark that I wonder why I even bother with Tinder in America. But, living in the ‘burbs, I rarely see women around to approach. So, for me, neither daygame nor tinder are effective at finding YHT women.
I came to Daygame after 40 notches from good quality women in Online Game.
Somehow, the satisfaction of going up to a girl in the street, dealing with obstacles, making things happen out of nothing, and getting the lay is way way more in Daygame than in Online Game.
During the same period when I was focused on Online Game, I had only 1 Daygame Lay, and 1 Daygame date. Those two girls, I still think of fondly until today. I don’t remember 99% of the “easy online lays.”
It’s just so much more satisfying to choose a girl, to see her, feel attraction for her (Don’t get me started on the photoshopped online pictures and how many girls look nothing like you expect them to look). I think it just makes me feel more of a man to go up to a girl and face rejection, then end up after some true hardships, suspense and learning with a well deserved lay.
Plus, I became 10x more of the man I want to be after going through my first 1000 sets of hell, and having my first 400 approaches be all rejections, than after getting 40 easy online lays.
Something about Day Game is more masculine, more satisfying and provides more personal growth than easy lays. I truly believe we become “super naturals,” better than guys who were good with women since they were young, because we’ve earned it the hard way.
There is a Zen proverb, that there are 3 kinds of horses: “A horse who gets everything right as soon as you tell it what to do. A horse that makes mistakes but with some correction learns. And a horse that gets beaten and beaten and beaten and learns every small things through pain and hardship. That third horse ends up superior to the first and the second because it mastered and drilled in each move, act and action.”
All in all, getting good at Day Game attracts a specific type of man, a man who is willing to be forged with fire. A man who becomes a patriarch like Nash calls them, rather than a mere rabbit player.
Plus, in full honesty, the girls I can go on dates with through Daygame are much more feminine, attractive, shy, demure, sweet, innocent, sexually curious because this is all new to them than Tinder girls who seem to be fat and juggling multiple cocks.
It’s great that daygame works for you and suits what you want to get out of Game.
But this last paragraph is a trope I see repeated a lot, and it’s a bad argument.
There are a ton of feminine, attractive, shy, demure, sweet, innocent, and sexually curious girls that you can meet on Tinder.
There are a ton of fat girls that are juggling multiple cocks that you can meet doing daygame.
The world is not black and white.
“The world is not black and white.”
In theory, yes, the world is not black and white.
In practice, however, it is.
Some of the very best girls I’ve met through Day Game don’t have a Tinder account. They don’t even go to Clubs.
So there is literally zero other way than Day Game to have met them.
However, to each his own. I am enjoying Day Game. I hope I’ll be doing it until the day I die, that I’d die on the sidewalk after a perfect DNA Tug Glory Set full of sexual tension.
But to each his own. I respect your niche pancake. Each man makes his own choices. I can’t criticize the way a man gets laid.
Some of the best girls I’ve met online don’t leave the house, and think it’s creepy when strangers come up and talk to them on the street.
My current regular is an 18 year old with a ridiculous body who messaged me out of the blue on Fetlife. She fits all the characteristics of a daygame girl: complete introvert, quirky, and brainy. She told me she probably would have thought it was a bit strange if I ran up to her on the street and started talking to her. I did literally zero work to get her. Invited her over to my house the first date. Continued inviting her over. Went to her dorm room once. Now she’s texting me to set up a threesome with her (equally attractive) friend. I have done nothing to get and retain this girl other than:
1) Being attractive. (Read: spending 10 years maximizing my looks and value)
2) Acting “alpha”.
3) Fucking her in an unforgettable way.
Mind you, I’m still going to learn and master daygame, because I truly want to be great at all aspects of Game. But once you are in a situation like this, you truly start to rethink “cold approach”.
| think it’s creepy when strangers come up and talk to them on the street.
Girls don’t know what they want.
Girls think it’s creepy when strangers come up and talk to them on the street, until a cool guy does it in the right way, then they love it.
Please stop spreading FUD. Now you’re not being reasonable anymore.
“think it’s creepy when strangers come up and talk to them on the street.”
This was a quote there. How do you guys make it appear as a quote?
Anyway, pancakemouse, anecdotal evidence is not real evidence.
Of course you can chance and meet great girls. I didn’t say nobody can or Day Game is the only way.
Just that daygame is consistent. It seems ALL the girls I go on dates with fit the type of girls I am into. With online game, it’s a random thing. Awkward dates, girls that don’t look like their pictures, etc.
Anyway, rather than theorize about it, go out there and do a 100 approaches, and then come back and tell us what you really think.
Will some girls think it’s creepy? Yes. But in all Game, we “risk creepy” as 60 Years of Challenge recommends. Because what is creepy to an uninterested girl is hot to a girl who is interested. And the only way to find out is to put your balls on the line and escalate things a bit and see what happens.
Plus, in reality, Online Game is a feminine game: you make yourself look “pretty,” take pictures, advertise yourself to girls. Day Game is a man’s game, you take action, engulf her in your vibe, let her react to you, and be the man she gets wet for rather than appear to be that. And to be that man, you have to be forged by fire.
Again, after you’ve had a daygame lay, then judge. Not some theoretical opinion about a theoretical girl who messaged you out of the blue (which is dominant behavior, introverted girls don’t do that, how can she be submissive and behave in a dominant way messaging a man she doesn’t know online? I do not believe this. In my experience of girls, even if they really really like a guy, they rarely initiate things. So if she’s a rare snowflake who is a switch or something, she cannot be used as a standard example).
You have much to learn about the Game, and I know because you sound like me circa two years ago.
You would benefit from a lot more context about the sexual marketplace. I would recommend integrating some resources that are not daygame-related. Start with this: https://strengthbysonny.com/2018/11/13/sonny-arvado-game-how-to-get-girls-part-iii/
Fucking girls is not some herculean effort of manly willpower requiring a heroes journey, like every daygame blogger paints it out to be.
It should be fun. It should be easy. And if you do it the non-herculean effort way, the women come to you.
“Now she’s texting me to set up a threesome with her (equally attractive) friend.”
WHOAAAA. hot stuff, pancake! has that happpened yet? you gotta keep us posted!
It got canceled (of course) because her friend had to change her plans last-minute.
Par for the course with threesomes – coordinating logistics with an 18 and a 23 year old is not the easiest thing in the world.
I was actually happy – had a free night and got my life organized.
(You know you have a don’t give a fuck mentality when you’re happy a threesome gets called off.)
Some of the best girls I’ve met online don’t leave the house, and think it’s creepy when strangers come up and talk to them on the street.
This has been my experience as well.
Some of the best girls I’ve met online, barely go out in real life.
Some of the best girls I’ve met in real life, have never used online dating before.
There is obviously overlap between the two. But I see them as complements more than substitutes.
Hey Pancake.
I think you’re smart to poke holes at the idea that you can’t find “nice,” chaste, introverted girls online. Of course you can.
I would argue, however, that the longer they play in the Online Dating Sandbox… the less likely they are to be “clean,” nice girls.
I think there is a qualitatively different impact from having guys show interest in a girl IRL (where their behavior is more restrained) vs guys burying a girl with attn online. It’s not the same VOLUME of guys, and it’s not the same QUALITY OF ATTENTION, nor the same QUALITY OF MEN (online has zero barriers to entry) … and I think you can expect that experience will change the majority of girls for the worse over time.
My 2 cents.
I love these comments, here, Blue.
If there is a REAL DIFFERENCE between IRL and ONLINE… it’s all the FACE TIME. That face time does, in fact, teach you something you cannot learn online. It’s calibration X1000. Online guys calibrate, but the face/face calibration has to wait until the date… whereas, we get that on each approach.
I love. Your comments have me fired up about daygame. Well said.
“Your comments have me fired up about daygame.” -Nash
Me too! It’ freezing here in Madrid on a lazy Sunday afternoon, and here I am thinking of all the skinny brunettes walking around the city, wishing that they could find a handsome exotic man to hug them, hold them, and destroy their pussies!
“Plus, I became 10x more of the man I want to be after going through my first 1000 sets of hell, and having my first 400 approaches be all rejections.” -BV
YES. It’s called overcoming your fears, and feeling stronger and more confident because of it.
Daygaming has changed my outlook on the world. After decades of feeling sexual scarcity, now I feel sexual abundance and joy.
That’s the magic of learning how to cold approach. It makes you feel better about yourself, because you know you have acquired a new skill. You know you can do something that most other men can’t do — and that women will admire you for it.
In other words, learning to cold approach has inherent value to it. It makes your cock higher value.
So not only do you MEET more girls doing cold approach, you also turn your cock into a higher value, more suckable cock.
It’s a double win for your cock!
Yeah. This is what I am getting at with my poker analogy. And I like the “randomness” too. The surprises are exciting and refreshing.
Sounds great, man.
I won’t touch online (in part, out of foolish pride), but I really respect Pancake, Magnum, and my buddy Vikar. They are all doing very well online.
I had a very good run doing DAYGAME AT HOME this Spring. It was about as good as I did in Japan/Shanghai… but in general, I don’t do as well at home. But I also don’t really try as hard at home.
I honestly don’t know how much of my performance is about my CONCENTRATION while I’m on a trip, vs actual differences when I game in a foreign land.
Sorry, I meant: “This is one reason I like online gaming” versus daygame.
Sorry, I think I jumped the gun a bit on my OP about this… and forget that I re-signed up to Tinder after a hiatus, and is likely why I had so much luck: an artifact of the algorithms. This part I forget about why I dislike Tinder.
Really liked this review and the tweets you posted. I have been following TDDaygame tangentially for a long time. Everything he writes in the excerpts you posted has been my experience, and I endorse it 100%.
Thanks, man.
The review part was the easy bit. Curating some Tweets that do TD justice was the hard part. I like that I did a solid job there.
I like TD. I respect him. I think he’s good for the culture. I wanted to do a good job creating a portrait of him.
Agree with Pancake here. TDDaygame is one of my favorite “game/redpill” voices on twitter and Nash you’re one of my favorite writers on game. This is a great review of not just TDDaygame’s new book but his larger voice on game, great to read your take.
“Plus, in reality, Online Game is a feminine game” “Day Game is a man’s game”
LOL, You have got to be kidding me!
Daygame, Online Game… Who cares?! They’re both tools to do the same job in different ways, with their own advantages and disadvantages.
Btw Nash, another dimension / segmentation that seems to be important is this:
Although statistically, I may not be getting “more percentages,” it seems to me the girls I am meeting now and interacting with, I enjoy them much more than when I first started.
Before, I’d meet girls I didn’t find I had much in common with. I was just horny, I wanted access to her boobs and pussy, and I’d “game” her to find a way in. Then as soon as I cum, I can’t wait for hear to leave, and I start the grind again to find the next one.
But now, I seem to find common interests with the girls I meet. They are creative artistic / dancer girls who have a joy for life, who have great innocence, who are just so sweet and feminine. Really great girls I want to see again and again.
So there is a part of this that: girls who would have said yes to me before, but I wasn’t so interested in them, say no to me now. And the girls I am enjoying now would have said no to me before, but now they say yes.
So although I may be getting 1 in 200, that 1 one girl is to me much more fun, we have a lot more in common, and I enjoy spending time with her. It’s not just having sex and then waiting for the girl to leave to move on the next one.
With more maturity, better game, more solidity, I attract more feminine women I enjoy.
That is a big part of the equation as well. Putting your cock in the pussies of 10 girls who you don’t like is not at all the same experience as one girl who you truly are in tune with and really desire her.
So I think a better metric than: “Did you fuck 3 new girls last month, bro?” is “are you getting the girls you really want, that you enjoy spending time with as well as great sex with?”. And also, of course, “Are you becoming more and more of the man you want to be?”
Those are better metric, in my view. Because “more notches” or even “better game” is not really a good measure. More notches with girls you don’t like isn’t really success to me. And better game, well you can be like Sneaky Tom, where better game means becoming a better actor and having better delivery of the same lines.
I’d rather have few girls who are my ideal girls, and BE A STRONGER MAN because of game. That is a worthy goal.
So this ^ comes off to me in two ways.
1.)… is better game. Not “better tricks,” but actually being more seductive, giving girls not “faster/colder sex” but a better experience. And giving them the hint that that might be what you’re about… they can feel a good experience coming. So they give you something better in return.
This is at the level of “like attracts like.” As you level up, you get “better” girls… and you unlock “better aspects” of girls there were there for the taking, but now you have the skills to unfold that.
This is LEADERSHIP… where as you’re a better leader, you lead the girl toward being a better version of herself.
2.)… you sound “mature.” And not “mature” like you can vote, or whatever. But you know what what you want. And I think that feeds into what I am suggesting above. Girls will act more mature when they are in the presence of a mature man.
I’m not alway about being “mature.” I can be consumptive too. I like notches. And I’ll fuck just to fuck…
But that is a “lower vibration” than what I am capable of. And my best experiences are never just that.
…………..
And ABUNDANCE plays into this.
I am of the theory that abundance is always a transitory state… it doesn’t last. And when I am at/near abundance, I make better choices. And I have more grace.
When I am bottomed out, no options… not only is my game not as good, but I am “needier and greedier,” and “like attracts like”, I end up with more “low vibration” girls in my mix, and I still pursue them… and I’m less “giving” as a seducer… more “on the take”… as I don’t have better options… and they show me that side of themselves.
This is like the Seducers Kharma (if there is such a thing).
There is a discipline in a “scarce time,” to take my time, relax, keep opening new girls in “giving way,” lean back, and look for proper options to build with… not pounce on the first dysfunctional girl I can find that will allow me to escalate.
After all this work… I see ebb/flow in these areas.
Excellent review! Nash and TD are two of the great men in our community, adding value, helping men, and banging sexy girls along the way! Viva Nash and TD!
Thanks for an awesome and true review of me and the e-book. Even more thanks for the edits you provided as it let me update the contents! Now my English should no longer be an issue.
do you think is it better than the stree hustle from tom torero?