Krauser the Elder | Daygame Infinite Review
It is my great pleasure to present a bullish review of Daygame Infinite, a fresh edition from Nick Krauser detailing the “how to” of daygame… and quite a bit more. For serious daygamers, this is top-shelf education. For me, it’s a 10 out of 10. And I’ll add that it is possibly the best combination of theory mixed with examples I have ever seen in pickup coaching.
“That’s why my type of daygame is so effective: it’s a weaponised connection system.”
— Krauser, Daygame Infinite, pg 30.
That quote is dramatic, but I like it. It’s sales-y, and it wakes us up a bit before we dive into what is actually a hype-free, sober presentation about daygame… and perhaps more so, about reading the psychology of women.
Much of the book works though the nuance of female psychology. Through concepts and case studies, you’ll find instruction on how to effectively advance from the pickup, to messaging, to early dates, to taking the little girl home and fucking her.
This book is for us, for daygamers… but even for guys that have never run up to a girl on the sidewalk, there is much to learn in these pages.
I took 17 pages of notes as I read it. This review is the “greatest hits” of those notes, focused on the aspects of Krauser’s opus that hit me the hardest… the areas that most appealed to me as an intermediate daygamer, from where I am at today, with my understanding of game.
Let’s dive in.
“[Y]ou are calibrating her intentions, her r/K disposition, and then trying to sync it with what you want and thus how you’ll position yourself. This is constantly evolving as she provides you with more information.”
— pg 337
That ^ line throws us deep into the meat of what Krauser is teaching in this book. If I had to pick one line that sums up Daygame Infinite, that’s where I’d start.
The practical application of taking the “information” she supplies, and using it to read her and advance the seduction is exactly what a guy like me is looking to master. This book is full of that level of content.
“The latter two-thirds of the book represent a course in advanced calibration. At each stage in the seduction, I present a variety of actual scenarios with girls and then discuss how I sent my probes, how I analysed the data, and then why I chose a particular route.”
— pg 11
Yes ^. It’s all this, and more.
Reading the book offered me a series of “wow” moments, watching Krauser demonstrate his thought process with girl after girl… over and over, shining a light in the direction I need to go as I try to move into more advanced levels in these days of game.
Most of Daygame Infinite is about how to explore and read the psychology of the girl. That is how I’d say it, and I think that is true. And there is precious content on those topics.
But the opening section of the book is more about OUR psychology. It’s about the mindsets, behaviors, daily practices and internal psychology of players… specifically as we touch the sidewalk. As we try to “flip the switch” and turn on a vibe that is seductive. Within that context, Krauser is trying to teach us how we can set ourselves up for a lifestyle focused more on the “joy of daygame” and less on “the grind.”
“While the intermediate becomes addicted to getting results, the advanced daygamer becomes addicted to the joyful process of the sets themselves.”
— pg 27
I was reading these ^ lines at the beginning of my last trip to Japan. I was alone in a foreign land, where I didn’t speak the language, I had no local “friends” there, and I was dead-set on working up a Girl Tornado and getting laid. I’m orderly, I’m type-A, I have goals and (sometimes) insane discipline. These are some of the reasons I’ve been successful, and I don’t need help there. While discipline might be a “beginner” problem, it’s not for me.
But this “tone” from Krauser, was exactly what I needed. As I prepared for weeks of “the grind,” the book was like a veteran’s hand on my shoulder, telling me to chill out a bit. To get into the “flow of it.” Good advice.
“Sink back into the daygame river and let the daygame just happen. Anything that forms a barrier between you and a direct authentic connection to the street and the girls on it will make your daygame more tiring.”
— pg 54
Are you surprised to hear this ^ from Krauser? I was. And after reading his blog for the better part of ten years, the change in tone was hard to miss… this is “Krauser the Elder.”
As you read the opening section, and you’ll feel Krauser putting you into a kind of trance, setting you up to absorb his notes on vibe. And as I read those pages while I was in Japan, it had an immediate impact on how I carried myself on the street.
“Vibe is the “x factor” of seduction, both the most powerful and the most elusive element in the game.”
— pg 59
This section… might be the most important section of the book. And it’s the “purgatory” between the “woo” of the first section and the “nuts and bolts” practicality of the latter sections.
“The primary paradigm shift in Daygame Infinite is making vibe the central driver of your pick-up and allowing everything else to fall into place around it.”
— pg 59
For myself, I had already come to this conclusion. I have been specifically working on my vibe for almost a year. I was working on this everyday in NYC last Fall. And I still work on this now, every day, before the hit the street.
“Vibe” starts at the level of your daily habits… like what you do right before you head out to pick-up. I had a habit of getting into political fights on Facebook all morning, and then, when I’d head out in the afternoon to game girls… I’d spend the first hour shaking off my “fight vibe,” trying to dial into something seductive and “open.”
“The foundation of your daygame session is to dial into Good Vibe FM and stay there as long as possible. Your wing’s job is to help you stay tuned in, for as long as you remain in that sweet spot, everything becomes easier and more fun. Your technicals don’t count as much as your tuning: when your vibe is weak, it’s like the girl is hearing music obscured by static.”
— pg 77
I’m dropping in these quotes here, but Krauser is much more specific than this. If the first section was about softer mindsets that will set you up to feel “at ease” with your game, here he gives you practical suggestions for how to get in the right “mood” while you’re out approaching.
“Vibe is the most powerful accelerant of daygame, so we’ll focus on how to maintain it while on the street.”
— pg 96
This is “advanced,” because beginners won’t listen to it… that’s part of why they are beginners. And when they have worked up to a level where they are genuinely curious about how to go “deeper” into the practice and how to increase the “crackle” with girls… they’ll be ready to “hear” all this for the first time.
“First, there simply wasn’t much technical advice on how to recognise girls who will be amenable to your approach. There are all kinds of signals to read and actions to perform before you open that let you choose your targets wisely, yet very little has been written about them. Infinite corrects that.”
— pg 10
Krauser’s talk about “indicators of interest” (IOIs) is an original, straightforward set of lessons, based on his quite sophisticated view of street game. I have never seen this material anyplace else, and for me… this is all dynamite for game.
“Roll the dice and play the numbers game, opening blindly; or 2. Apply a pre-open filter of your own devising to load the dice. Option one will produce many interesting scenarios, and the beginner is so enthused by the novelty of them that he’ll have a high tolerance for wasting his time (and often won’t realise he’s chasing no-hopers). A more seasoned player has worn out his tolerance and is looking for a more sustainable energy spend, and therefore, option two has greater longevity.”
— pg 104
I “open blindly.” Not a “blind stop” (where you never saw the girls face, and you open based only on her body… I don’t recommend that). But “blind” in the sense that 1.) The girl didn’t IOI me and/or 2.) I have no discernible reason to believe she is either “interested or available” (see pg 160 for more on that).
I don’t “spam” approach every girl, I’m more choosy than that… but I still open “blindly,” and that explains several things about my stats. I fuck maybe one in 150 approaches (maybe better than that, but not much). And that’s (partly) because I don’t “pre-approach filter” much at all.
Interesting line in Krauser’s new book Infinite where he says his game is increasingly played in the YES girls… Because of target selection.
I’m very into this target selection concept.
— Nash (@DaysOfGame_com) January 15, 2018
“Something I’ve noticed over the course of my own player’s journey is that with each passing year, Yes Girls make up a greater proportion of my lays.”
— pg 105
Krauser’s content on IOIs and pre-approach help explain the disconnect between my stats and someone like Krauser’s (“one in 30 girls”). Krauser isn’t opening nearly as many girls as me, but he is “reading” them better in the pre-approach, and opening girls that are more ready to be gamed.
“Whatever your situation, applying a pre-approach filter will improve the cost-benefit ratio of performing daygame. This is why smart daygamers pay attention to the pre-approach game.”
— pg 105
He is talking about “energy conservation.” This is related to the “woo” stuff in the first section, but now we’ve taken theory down to the level of the street. Krauser is showing you, specifically, how to tightened up your “conversion rate,” how to save energy, and how to buoy your state… all at the same time.
And there is more:
“A daygamer doesn’t let fate determine which girls notice him – he proactively creates his own opportunities. We’ve already discussed how vibe and street presence increase your odds of drawing favourable attention, but both are still somewhat passive, a shotgun blast at women in general rather than one girl in particular. Let’s get more specific to the girl you want.”
— pg 128
This isn’t just about “noticing” IOIs…. it’s about creating them.
And I am very interested in what KRAUSER is teaching about how to better FILTER for girls AND to FORCE INTEREST. He writes about this in Daygame Infinite… but he has been saying this for years… I am just now hearing it.
This ^ is on my mind right now.
— Nash (@DaysOfGame_com) February 15, 2018
Krauser’s IOI stuff is unlike anything I have seen elsewhere. I am sure Jabba influenced him in the early stages (check out Jabba’s Secret Society product), but Jabba can’t lay it out like this. Excellent stuff and very specific.
Now… we’re solidly into the “nuts and bolts” of technique:
“The advanced player knows where the girl is at psychologically and what she wants to happen next. This means the player will send out probes to collect information and then sort it according to his cumulative knowledge in order to make good decisions.”
— pg 11
This ^ is “upper level” game. And he is extremely specific, drilling this level of technique throughout the rest of the book.
“Read back through the chat with a focus on the key text game question: what does this tell me about where she’s at? That’s the question that guides your calibration and thus fine tunes your text game.”
— pg 226
Here ^ he is reading between the lines of the text exchanges with girls, but as we read on… we’ll see him do this in real time, face to face with the girl. Reading her, gathering info, setting up that intel to help him move the seduction forward… and sharing all the post-game analysis with us.
“It is crucial to base your dating on your calibration, and thus send out probes to collect the data upon which your calibrations decisions rest.”
— pg 289
Okay… now, show us exactly what you mean:
[sent to the girl] “‘Send me a photo of you'”
[his note to us, his analysis] “Compliance test and probe for how she wants me to see her.”
— pg 230
When I first read this ^ example, it sounded to me like “send noodz!” But that is not what is going on here…
“The type of photo a girl sends back gives you a ton of information about how she wants you to see her.”
— pg 231
This ^ is an opportunity to watch a very smart man at work, doing something few men can do. It’s not about the photo… it’s about reading what her choice of photo says about the way she wants to present herself… and what that means about how to game her. Excellent.
“The dates with Olya and Diana are already diverging in a likely outcome. While Olya began with a challenge, Diana began with compliance. Olya’s body language was of a self-possessed girl enjoying the entertainment, while Diana’s was of a sexually interested girl anticipating some sexual polarity. You can collect a lot of data in the first few minutes and spend the next hour testing your conclusions.”
— pg 287
There ^ it is. Want to see it again?
“Natalia had dressed to show skin and was padding along beside me to the cafe, suggesting she was in follow mode and waiting to see where I’d lead her. I always prioritise physical/behavioural data over the verbal, so seeing this move in my direction meant the verbals wouldn’t need to carry as much weight. I could proceed to testing her physical compliance.”
— pg 290
I have so many examples of this in my notes, I’m holding back here… there is so much more of this “advanced calibration” in the book. Before we go on… re-read that part about what he “prioitises.” Solid gold.
“… the all important question: where is she at in the seduction?”
— pg 422
Over and over ^, he drills this kind of thinking.
This is EXACTLY what I need in my game… this level of setting up moments to observe, “probing” for details/intel, and then reading the girl… it’s a masterclass.
“Lena had a very bright, bubbly energy both on the street and in her messages, so again I’d placed her as at least a Maybe. As I see her waiting for me, I notice her denim shorts showing a lot of leg and lots of care in her make-up, causing me to revise my estimation of her keenness upwards a little.”
— pg 377
I was running a lot of game while I read the latter half of the book… I was deep into my 60 day daygame streak, and I was applying much of this material within 24 hours of reading it. I think I’ve internalized a layer of this… and will keep working at this as I game through the summer.
“By placing all of these examples together, it’s quite easy to see the pattern. Each girl will be slightly different, but the basic themes are always the same: spike, lead, comfort, chit-chat, be interesting.”
— pg 378
I close the section out with this ^ line… these “basic themes.”
This is some of what he’s doing on dates. Those five things are back down to an beginner-intermediate level of awareness. They are simple and “how to.” He is doing those five things as he “processes” each girl… and the advanced part is how he is not just “doing them,” but using them to probe into her psyche, and mine out datapoints to help him penetrate her world.
“Weaponized connection.” Can you see it?
“At each stage in the seduction, I present a variety of actual scenarios with girls and then discuss how I sent my probes, how I analysed the data, and then why I chose a particular route.”
— pg 11
It’s not necessary to separate the probing from the calibration, and we have already seen him doing both. For this section, I’m focusing on some of Krauser’s lines about calibration, so you can see his emphasis on the concept:
“Calibration is the foundation of advanced game.”
— pg 11
Yes. And a seducer has more experience with social calibration than almost any one else. We are “social scientists.” And calibration is where the game is played.
“I present this section by walking through a series of real conversations with girls representing a cross-section of different interest levels and personalities.”
— pg 194
You will particularly see the “play by play” of his game in the dates. For instance, later in this review I’ll mention Inga… fucking A, that was an amazing case study where you see Krauser’s “decision making” and calibration each step of the way.
Hey… I’m still working my way through Krauser’s very excellent Daygame Infinite. And I am on the section where he breaks down the opening moments of several first dates… and he is pointing to this exactly.
Reading between the lines = calibration. Great stuff.
— Nash (@DaysOfGame_com) May 19, 2018
If giving a guy “a basic plan” is level one of learning game, then “diagnosing the action” is a full step up from there. Advanced game here. Rare and valuable instruction.
COFFEE FILTER DATE.
And then there was the section on the “Coffee Filter Date.” This section does two things for a guy like me: 1.) Shows me that for Krauser, a “coffee date” has a specific function, and then, 2.) These dates become a set of examples for him to demonstrate his concepts.
“While far from conclusive, it’s another small data point for the calibration decision on how to move her forwards. The whole Coffee Filter Date is about collecting data to inform that decision.”
— pg 287
Here ^ we see a repetition of the themes above.
We’ll need time to have these concepts sink into our consciousness, and the format for how Krauser presents his examples does that perfectly. No crap to sort through, just clean examples to illustrate what we need to learn.
Separately… I’ll add that Krauser’s treatment of “coffee dates” (and daytime dates in general) shows you some of his own “biases” toward dating. These dates are in the daylight and are less likely to involve alcohol… in that way, they are closer to “filler dates” for Krauser, they are “second best” options where he is screening girls when he doesn’t have enough evening spots available, or the girl doesn’t merit that kind of date.
I’ll be personal here and say I’m not 100% with Krauser here. Yes, nighttime and alcohol can help toward the likelihood of getting the girl naked. Definitely. But I’m less sold by this viewpoint, as I date shy, chaste girls, many (most?) of which don’t drink. These girls sometimes “filter me” into daytime dates.
However… I can create romance and escalate in broad daylight, no problem. (And I am quite certain Krauser can as well). For me… a daytime date is as solid as anything else (and can surprise the girl, as she’s not expecting sex at “lunch”). Keep an open mind here… particular about the emphasis of alcohol (it’s really, really not necessary).
Here are a couple of lines where I see Krauser pointing to female psychology… which is a big part of what I love about game.
“It’s better to think of women like a child sitting on the floor playing with a toy. Whatever action or event they experience fills their vision, and they focus exclusively upon it. Their sense of space and time shrinks to right here, right now.”
— pg 71
Smart. And there are a million applications of a comment like this ^.
Consider that line in the context of a concept like “muh hypergamy.” The most angry of the red pill guys see a woman’s propensity to “branch swing” as devious and calculated… and sometimes it is. And other times, she is a “child” absorbed in the shininess of what’s in front of her. This is part of seeing women for what they are… and it’s also an opportunity to see how to game them (be the shiny thing).
Here is a fantastic section specific to the types of girls that respond best to daygame:
“In addition, many girls are more amenable to the type of value daygame can convey in general. As a rule of thumb, daygame is appreciated by women who value an interpersonal experience, but it falls flat on women who value social status. This is to be expected when considering what type of value can be conveyed through daygame: it is an intensely personal experience in which conversation and body language conveys your charisma, confidence, and personality strength.”
— pg 114
For daygamers, the game is played in the quality of the “personal experiences” we can generate. And it’s girls that specifically like “experiences” (as opposed to “things”)… that will eat up the show we put on out on the streets.
“Highly feminine girls are quite likely to exhibit these traits because all that cute feminine energy that makes girls delightful comes at the cost of the masculine energy that makes them logical and accountable.”
— pg 462
Excellent analysis of “girls” and “femininity.” Do you want her to be bubbly and cute? Or to “show integrity?” I know what I want. And that means no expectations that she will have the honor and discipline I respect in men. I want my girls to be girly (and compliant)… I’ll take care of the rest.
I should show some level of critical read here… so I will.
“You’ll escalate her through the three-venue structure…”
— pg 369
If you read field reports of players, and especially guys that have studied the London Model, you will see religious dedication to “three venues.” I get it… I have heard all the “time distortion” theory, and there is likely something true about some of that.
But it’s terribly rigid. And bouncing the girl around appeals to a “strength” of solid men (handling logistics), but perhaps at the expense of looking for the soft-spots in women (getting intimate). I can see moving the girl around a lot as being as clueless (or more so) than dragging out a given date in one spot. Multiple venues are fine, but they are never my focus. The PURPOSE of the venue (even if it’s only one), is much more important than multiple venues.
For my money… if I take a girl to only one place, and get the “love bubble” around her and I going… that is 1000X more effective than dragging the girl all around town.
And again, to be fair… Krauser shows more nuance in other areas of the book:
“The milestones impose a logical structure and discipline onto the date, giving you a direction… When reflecting on these… you will tend to drift into logical thought. This is okay, as it’s part of the male role to provide direction and keep things on track. The engine of seduction, however, is in the flow of energies in moving a girl’s mood. On each plateau, your mind should drift towards the ephemeral moment-by-moment energy of the interaction. This is how you balance the logical with the emotional.”
— pg 374
Here he brings us back to what’s important: “The engine of seduction, however, is in the flow of energies in moving a girl’s mood.”
That ^ is exactly right… and it supersedes venues, certainly.
“Light, alcoholic bar…”
— pg 369
Alcohol… I made some comments about this above. I already commented on this… but I think the emphasis on alcohol is overplayed in game in general. I know it is. At 45, I have never had more sex with more girls… and alcohol is less and less a part of my game. In Japan this year, I drank much less than I do at home… and dated more than most men should even try to do.
You don’t need alcohol to fuck girls. The girls don’t need it. Some of Krauser’s transcripts show the girls rejecting alcohol, and I see that in my experience too.
“The key to walking her home is distraction.”
— pg 488
Hmmm… do I believe this? Mostly, no.
I have walked girls back to my place while being conscious to not over-talked the “why” of why I’m taking her home. And I have used conversation to be charming so the walk doesn’t degrade into pre-sex anxiety. But because I don’t believe we’re slipping anything past the girls, “distracting” them is a lesser form of game. I could red-flag a couple of comments like this in the book as less than ideal, as they hint toward being “sneaky.”
And from his notes about sex:
“[Eating pussy is] unbecoming of a man.”
— pg 510
This is more personal, but I think this ^ is bullshit (on one hand) and an interesting view into the minds of men across the Community (Krauser isn’t alone in his take on chowing box).
And to be fair, Krauser put this comment in a section titled, “Please yourself above pleasing her.” And that is dead-on excellent advice. I have noticed my style of sex has moved in this direction since I got better with women… but mostly at the level of my attitude, not the actual things I do with girls in bed.
I eat pussy, as often as I can. I love it. (I wish I was doing it right now.) It’s intimate, it’s nasty, it’s sooo “in there.” The smell of pussy all over my face… nothing like it. But to Krauser’s point, I specifically tell the girls… “this is for me.”
Here is more nuanced criticism:
“The big difference was Natalia knew she wanted to fuck me from the beginning, whereas Lyuba had the complex storm of emotions wanting to fuck me, but her own logical brain was resisting it.”
— pg 189
I will quickly admit Krauser is head and shoulders better than me at bedding women. And (of course), I’ve never met any of these girls (so I am guessing), but… there is something “off” for me in the particular explanation of Natalia above.
“Natalia knew she wanted to fuck me from the beginning…” Hmmm. I don’t think girls think like this.
That is too “goal” oriented, as I see it. I think girls are basically “going forward” (toward you) or “going backward” (away from you and the seduction). So maybe Natalia was really moving toward Krauser… and assuming they’d fuck is a safe bet. But for the girl, in her mind… I bet she wanted “more,” not specifically “to fuck.” It’s a subtle difference, but the distinction is real for me.
I provide these examples to show that while I’m obviously convinced Krauser is one of the best minds in game, I’m not blind in how I read him. I am a critical fuck sometimes… but I also know when to shut up and listen.
This whole book is a “shut up and listen” opportunity. I have basically nothing to complain about.
Here is an example of Krauser showing some charm and humor as he teases a girl on a date:
KRAUSER: Men have a really big brain, and it has to be pushed in, like–
KRAUSER: [makes creaky noise and gesticulates forcing a big brain into a small head]
KRAUSER: They have to properly push it into the head, right, because it’s so big and powerful
KRAUSER: Apparently that is the biggest brain, and the next biggest is an orangutan, and then chimpanzee
KRAUSER: As you go down, you have bird and mouse and squirrel, and then finally you’ve got the…
KRAUSER: female human brain
0LYA: [Laughin][Shocked tone] No!
— pg 314
I love it.
I want to show a couple of lines that strike me as “advanced:”
“The quality of your eye contact is not something you can micro-manage with technique alone. It’s mostly determined by your vibe, your intent, your conviction, and your long-term inner game work.”
— pg 138
Eye contact is a “surface marker” of “the quality of your attention.” Don’t underestimate how effective “high quality attention” can be with women. All the factors Krauser relates to eye contact will impact the “quality” of her experience… that’s how I interpret that line. And another “yes” to the reference to inner game.
“Much of the verbal game is about probing her character and availability, while our non-verbal game is probing her physical acceptance of us. It doesn’t need to be flashy when your sub-communication is on point.”
— pg 155
For more of this ^, see page 135 for some notes on “In Set Dominance.” Excellent. I use that stuff almost every day.
“There is no single piece of information from which to judge your odds of banging a girl that is more informative than her very first reply to your feeler text.”
— pg 196
Hot comment ^. I can think of exceptions… but this is mostly true.
“Few things excite a girl and move her from Maybe to Yes than seeing or touching a man’s hard dick.”
— pg 360
Rivelino ^ would approve. And I have been doing this more and more this year… it’s terribly effective. Highly recommend it.
“Don’t confuse The Switch with horniness. Although both frequently occur together and reinforce each other, they are not the same. The Switch is a mental decision in which the forebrain agrees to leave the field (‘Ok, I can fuck this guy now’), whereas horniness is a heating up of the hindbrain (‘I’m so hot right now’) which may still be blocked by the forebrain.”
— pg 484
His comments about “The Switch” are excellent. This is a great section about how to spot when a girl is past resisting the idea of sex and has “switched” to being into it. Great topic, great examples.
HOW FAST SHOULD YOU EXPECT SEX?
We debate this topic a lot on this blog, so here are some comments from Krauser on the topic:
“Assuming an artfully-applied texting filter, a baseline expectation is that the strongest twenty-five percent of girls will have sex on the first evening date.”
— pg 254
There ^ a number. 25%. I think I’m a bit lower than that, and that makes sense… I’m not as good as Krauser is, but even for him… without other info (which is what PROBING/CALIBRATION is all about…), 25% chance a girl will fuck on the first date.
“Do not confuse extreme interest in dating you with extreme interest in fast sex. You can blow a K-select Yes Girl by escalating her like an r-select Yes Girl and vice versa.”
— pg 240
We need to hear this. I know I was not moving fast enough for a long time… and then, I was moving too fast and scaring girls off…
…not all girls are the same:
“A girl’s propensity to put out on the first date depends a lot on context, unrelated to whatever personal qualities you may have. A major influence is where she sits on the r/K spectrum.”
— pg 253
This is what I see. It’s not “one size fits all,” and arguments that suggest that are tired.
“Most seductions, most of the time, will go the same way. You’ll get her number, send a few flirty texts, and then set up an evening first date… you’ll escalate and kiss her somewhere after the mid-point, perhaps an hour or two into the date. You’ll text her some more over the next few days, set up a second date, and make out some more. Perhaps you’ll take her home that second date, and if not, the action will probably happen on the third date.”
— pg 369
This ^ is reality. Guys that claim otherwise are most not helpful, as this ^ will be how it is for MOST GUYS… most of the time. Your skill is key. But so is the girls “timeline for sex,” and much of that is “unrelated to whatever personal qualities you may have.”
This quote matches my experience exactly.
Daygame Infinite delivers killer content and it was a pleasure to read. Nothing generic, all fresh, specific and personal… which is more than we should expect from most products in the Community. I’m thoroughly impressed.
I’ll end this review the same way Krauser ends the book… with the story of Inga.
“I present her story to show how good calibration can light up opportunities that would be hidden from the average man. Taking Inga’s messaging at face value would indicate a girl who was absolutely resolute about never having sex with me. Clearly, that wasn’t the case.”
— pg 505
I could see a lot of Krauser’s game in how he tells that story. In the things he does, and specifically the things he does that “we’re not supposed to do,” and how Krauser used his calibration to know when to break the rules. Excellent… and totally entertaining.
Buy the book. Buy it for the notes on vibe and IOI. Buy it for the instruction on probing and calibration. Buy it for the exposure to all the hundreds of razor-sharp lines about women in those case studies.
And buy it to see how Krauser closes Inga… fucking brilliant.
One ancillary benefit of game for me has been to be in the company of smart men… Reading this book has been such an opportunity. I salute Krauser the Elder. And my thanks for the truly rare and radical education on seduction.
Congratulations, man. You killed it. Thank you.
Great write up of what I believe is the definitive advance level textbook on game. I’ve read 70% of it so far and have much the same findings. I especially liked his short section at the very end on dominant sex. This is key and goes a long way towards retention as well.
“one in 150 approaches”
My take is that you’d be banging way more, even during day, if you wouldn’t be doing Daygame ™
@Yohami: I honestly and genuinely want to know, what do you think is a better strategy/thing for average/normal guy (without any talent such as musical or sports) to do, other than Daygame? Like, what do you suggest for us to make use of our time better? Thanks alot
The best strategy is to become the type of guy girls find attractive.
That involves developing the specific ‘dominant’ behaviors and climbing the social ladder.
So when you talk to girls you’re approaching them from the top instead of from the bottom.
Can you tell us more about that specific “dominant” behavior?
Are you simply talking about being that tough Alpha guy on this one?
And if I may ask, how old are you, Yohami?
Im 42. The succint answer is that we’re tribal animals and we arrange ourselves into hierarchies – and the same instincts and behaviors that make a man want to climb the dominance ladder, and the kind of behaviors that a man used to the at the top of the hierarchy exudes, are exactly the same that women find attractive / irresistible, while the set of behaviors / attitudes of men who don’t climb the hierarchy or are at the bottom of it are the behaviors that women find unattractive / repulsive.
So men dominance matches hypergamy, and hypergamy is all there is. Doing game = emulating the behaviors of men who live at the top of the hierarchy, or learning Game = becoming a version of you that is attractive.
And when a man has the generic attractive behaviors he’s attractive to all women.
So – becoming the attractive type of man who is attractive to all women regardless of the time of day, trumps any approach or strategy or numbers game. And at the end of the day you’ll have to develop these traits if you want to have success with the girls you pick through other methods.
: ] Come on, Yohami… not this again.
First of all… I am directly pointing to why my ratio is so low (I don’t pre-approach filter)… AND how to fix it (pre-approach filter!)… if I cared to “fix it” (which I mostly don’t… talking to girls is great).
I have a post I’ll do that essentially shows how your theory and Krauser’s advice on how to create IOI are remarkably similar.
T/F: I am lightyears ahead of where I was two years ago?
The answer is obvious.
How do we think I got better? Where did I find the opportunities?
I am a mid-40s guy, that’s fucked 11 girls this year, avg of 15 yrs younger than me… that’s daygame.
I believe more in you than you do –
You should be able to go anywhere, at any time of the day, night, morning, noon, afternoon, see any girl you like, talk to her, and have her dreaming of you and obsessed about taking it further.
You should be able to go out every night and have 3-5 girls who’d die to go home with you.
You should be able to go out every day and have all the girls turning and wishing you’d open them up.
You should be able to bang 11 new girls a month if you’d want to, by going out 8 times.
“I have a post I’ll do that essentially shows how your theory and Krauser’s advice on how to create IOI are remarkably similar.”
It’s not a theory – and it makes sense that all valid Game is similar, since women don’t change
“T/F: I am lightyears ahead of where I was two years ago?”
“How do we think I got better? Where did I find the opportunities? #daygame”
And if you’d switch to a different approach you’d get x10 the results
Give it a try
You should be able to go out every night and have 3-5 girls who’d die to go home with you.
You should be able to go out every day and have all the girls turning and wishing you’d open them up.
You should be able to bang 11 new girls a month if you’d want to, by going out 8 times.
These type of results are not possible or realistic. They read like claims from a landing page on some PUAs site.
Get any girl you find attractive? 3-5 girls a night who would die to go home with you? Getting IOIs from every girl during the day?
No one on earth gets these results apart from actual celebrities.
“These type of results are not possible or realistic.”
Come on man. Do you have any alpha male friends?
“Get any girl you find attractive?”
Yes man. Have you hanged out with actually attractive men with game?
Whose do you think girls prep themselves for?
“Getting IOIs from every girl during the day?”
‘any’ and ‘every’ is a generalization – but if you’re an attractive man with game, ‘all girls’ want a piece of that.
“No one on earth gets these results apart from actual celebrities.”
Celebrities get that multiplied by a hundred or a thousand
Going out at night and having 3 girls who’d want you to take them home is nothing.
Walking around during day and getting free IOIs from girls is also nothing.
Pancake, I agree with you. You’re right. Those are the expectations of a bad PUA sales page. They are real for Yohami… but will never be real for 95% of men.
With that said… Yohami is doing his “Zen” thing here.
Imagine that what Yohami is saying is that you should INTERNALLY FEEL LIKE THIS… or INTERNALLY KNOW THIS IS TRUE. Start with that.
When I read Yohami’s comments like the ones above, they actually help me, as a “zen meditation” about trying to absorb that particular mindset.
What if you could take a pill and believe what Yohami was saying was true? How would that affect your game? This is just the first step in a path toward Yohami game…
I have a lot more to say about this… but I’ll do in the context of Swingcat’s material later this summer.
When Yohami talks about “do you know any alphas?,” he is actually talking about men that are closer to celebrities. The “fame” is not required (but it helps, as you get a different POV when you have the fame, and you can see what Yohami means), it’s the “mindsets” that the celebrity has that changes what he “sees” in a given situation…
This is all more TOP GUY stuff.
Again, the Swingcat material helped me see into Yohami’s POV a little better. I sent some of it to Yohami and he liked it.
And with that said… this will be completely impossible for 95% of men. It’s a type of “mental SWITCH” that gets flipped (I believe Yohami says for him, it was a somewhat sudden SWITCH that got flipped)… and I believe that.
It’s not incremental… not really. It’s switching from BOTTOM GUY to TOP GUY… and THEN… what you can SEE from that new POV that you couldn’t see before… and THEN… how that impacts your game.
Most men should “build their way up.” That’s mostly what I have done so far…and I’m doing 10000X better than most men.
But there is a QUANTUM LEAP that is possible, and that is what Yohami is pointing to. I have felt flashes of it… here and in Japan.
This guy lucretius is having flashes of it – then he doesnt know what to do with having all the girls into him (so he blews it up) just like it happened to me long ago.
But Im not talking about celebrities – there are a LOT of guys, and I met quite a few, who get all the girls, have the girls chasing them, can fuck any girl they want etc. Usually narcissist types at medium/higher type jobs, owners of small business, organizers, bar owners, etc that kind of stuff.
Re: “getting IOIs from girls during day” I paid attention today when I went to Macdonalds. In the space of an hour there were 4 girls really into me and giving looks. One hot girl with a bf looking at me while the boyfriend checked his phone, one fat girl with pretty eyes and lonely, and two cheerleader type girls with very short shorts and lots of makeup – the prettier of these two was not only doing eye contact but her lower lib had that movement like when they want to suck cock.
So the ‘unrealistic’ part is shit, and fuck 95% of men. If you’re going to learn Game, learn the stuff that makes you power-man.
Gotta say I side with Yohami on this one. There’s a lot of negativity and jealousy floating around, and by definition these results aren’t available for ‘95% of men’ but they are available for any man sub-50 willing to do the work to flip things.
I love Krauer’s materials and learned a ton of interesting tips and ideas from Daygame Mastery, but still find his approach way too low value and needy like he’s putting on an effort or performing every time he does anything.
Move or vacation to a geography where you’re treated like a king. Go on a crazy two-week binge of fucking. Stack girls right on top of each other—and then capture pictures of yourselves in the following days/weeks that will add full points to your SMV. I do mostly online but the point is still the same: if you don’t feel like and position yourself as a ‘celebrity’ you are making a mistake.
Grinding out cold approaches is crazy and krauser is right to finally be catching on this will DESTORY your state. You should walk around in an aura of your own confidence about yourselves and your plans for everything—and by far the best responses I get are when I’m in my own bubble and only perk up to see who notices ME.
There’s a reason Yohami mentions more entrepreneurial types and Nash mentions a new geography. You need to get it through your head that YOU are a celebrity—stack and cluster your interactions with highs in your life to achieve that feeling. Once you do you’ll find 90% of your game is just referring back to those things and that feeling.
If you were disciplined about only running ‘fast game’—a few minutes like Janka to get a number and leave; only meeting up with girls off Tinder who seem easy-closing, etc. you’ll shock yourself with how many girls are a strong YES for your vibing, and how much effort you wasted chasing maybes or just going through extra motions with girls you’d already lay. Then you stack those into improving your own SMV (by having girls on repeat, improving your text game by capturing how you act from high state, etc.)
It is 100% vibe and the feeling you’re the prize—and it’s crazy to be going out on dates, bringing back lmr-lays where you don’t get that feeling. Better to grind your way up feeling like a king, with a harem of a point lower quality, than snipe for 8s needily. Krauser talks about r/K but here he is investing 15 minutes times 30 plus eight hours of dates per half-closing lay—that itself is basically investing at a rate that’s crazy. Make no mistake, the guy has low self-esteem and his vibe reeks.
If you are going to learn ‘game’ why not master logistics, geography, presentation to get girls wanting to fuck you enthusiastically. If you’re investing 8-20 hours all-in interacting and wearing down your state just to get a lay you are doing the LEAST efficient thing.
There’s a difference between income and investing. Krauser puts in hours and get a lay. It’s not clear his results compound or improve in any way. He sees her once, twice, three times, maybe, then he’s back to feeling low SMV.
Your goal should be the opposite: build a life, persona, presentation, profile for app dating, that is building you up as a high value ‘celebrity’ no matter how normal you ‘seem’—if your lays aren’t compounding into broader skills or a feeling of higher SMV, you really are just grinding endlessly and not building anything.
[…] Nash’s Daygame Infinite review. Like with everything else, if you want to go deep into the subject you’ve gotta read the books. The Internet is fine, but most of the material is shallow. […]
Thanks for the nod.
On the subject of forcing IOIs, I have just published a post and related video on the subject:
I think it would add to the discussion!
Good luck on your daygame journey.
A “historians note” on Krauser and Daygame Infinite:
A lot of the material in that book goes back to things he was talking about in 2015:
More on VIBE ^ from Krauser here.
I’m sampling from Marky Mark’s comments above.
I can see this. I couldn’t before, but I can see it now. And I have been that, via daygame, several times. Once you get a “critical mass” of girls, then you FEEL like a celebrity, and that makes you spiral up. I used to call those Girl Tornados. I have been in 2 1/2 “girl tornados” this year…
People say this… even some happy/successful daygamers say this… but as daygamers we are actually spending time with women. We can do it whenever we want. And a lot of the time, that “time” on the street is great. If you ONLY measure life in “lays,” then that would be “a grind”… but so would swiping all the time, with even less face/face with real live girls.
At a certain level, if you love women… daygame gives immediate returns.
Yes, yes. And this is a catch-22 kind of thing. When you feel like a celebrity, you get better reactions, run better game, and then, get more results, feel even more like a celebrity – spiral up. This is TOP GUY momentum.
But you have to start somewhere.
I am at a place in my understanding of game where I know at least this much. And I am more patient as I try to work up into positive momentum… it takes longer than I want, but it’s predictable.
I am kind of stuck right now… but I have been through this before. And I know I’ll catch a couple of good situations, and I’ll start to ramp up and then… girl tornado.
That cycle ^ is maybe the key piece of game on my mind right now. This is where I am at.
Yes, yes. This makes me laugh… as most of us (all?) can’t just DECIDE to do this. Natural born psychopaths can, and that would be a nice skill to have. The rest of us… this is a SIDE EFFECT, not a strategy.
Yohami is onto the difference when he says “go be Justin Beiber.” That’s actually (a little) more helpful than “just feel like you’re the prize.”
Feeling that vibe, for most guys, comes AFTER they are winning. I get that vibe when I get a tornado in full effect. But the work (for me) comes first.
Where you have my attention is that “enthusiastically” part. That REALLY is a different way to think about it. That’s hinting at TOP GUY. That is the reason why guys like you say you don’t understand LMR… guys that are getting fucked enthusiastically don’t get LMR. it’s more than that… but that’s a symptom.
I am going to do a post on Swingcat and merge that with some of Yohami’s greatest hits from this year. I’ll quote these comments as well. And I will be getting at “fuck you enthusiastically.” That’s a great line.
He believes in dating, but I think you’re working a little too hard to suggest he sucks. Krauser can get laid quickly, on command, in a strange city, often within hours… if not days. That is top 2% of men.
But as for his “results compounding,” I think you’re again pointing us in the right direction. Some of the mechanisms to “compound” would be that CELEBRITY VIBE and then REFERENCE EXPERIENCES. Both are side effects… but REF EXs are yours to keep. And that knowledge/experience can have a compounding effect. I am learning at that level, at least.
And I also think you are building a straw man with the suggestion that daygame girls don’t stick around, that they don’t fall in love, etc. I won’t defend Krauer’s “recurring revenue” from daygame (girls that want to fuck him on the regular), but I have had recurring revenue many, many times.
I agree “celebrities” get more compound success, and see the world through eyes where everything is easier and more clear. You CAN be that guy via daygame… I’ve done it, and I’m not even that good.
Great comments, man. I appreciate it.
This convo with marky mark and yohami has unlocked many many thoughts that have been lying in my subconscious for a couple years.
(The reason I’m focused on my entrepreneurial pursuits more than my contextual, situational, game.)
I know I’m almost a year late but I’m slowly reading through the blog and I see that the comments / discussion area is so insightful.
Awesome! Looking forward to lots more wisdom and learning.
Thanks man. I have some plans for another Yohami deep dive.
I was very lucky to have him coach me the way he did. A lot of my earlier posts were saturated with his POV.
Here ^ are a couple of posts where I tried to weave Yohami in. Most of his voice is in the comments on posts before Apr 2018.
He and I have our differences… but that guy is a genius. I am eternally grateful.